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There’s not evidence of sites being penalized for 100’s of links comming from link farms.
This an example xxxhttp://www.cooking-culinary-arts-schools.com/resources/links.html
This webmaster has a large collection of edu sites and he’s an active member of linkexchanged.
IMO SE’s will ignore unrelated sites but there are not penalties for that reason.
Black Hatters back links is another issue.Since I don’t link for traffic, burried links are fine as far as I am concerned.
If the page is indexed, a link anywhere on it counts for SEO purposes.
About 4 months ago I changed my philosophy on links and as far as I can tell it has worked well.
1.) I limit the links on my homepage to about 25. To get on my home page I need a reciprocal link to the home page of a site that has the same or higher page rank than me. Currently PR4.
2.) I place all requests on my link page in return for a link on their link page if they dont want to swap home page links.
The strategy worked well and I am finally closer to the top of the query for our search terms. We have been averaging 6000 unique visitors a month.
Also, our site is ALL original content so that may also be helping.
If anyone is interested in doing this checkout the site. As for the number of request I get it seems to have died down recently.
sedgecourtjournalfootball.blogspot.com
I try not to count the number of link requests I get per month. I never reply, unless the link has been solicited in some way.
As Dominique and others have suggested, there just isn’t time enough to check out all the link partners and make sure they’re legitimate, not part of a ‘bad neighbourhood’ etc.
Nevertheless, TheGooners comments have me a little disturbed:
Some are good sites – but still not sites I would personally use.
They get replied to as declined, and then binned.Some are actually OK – and I reply with a view to a link.
Usually only 1-2 a month of about 120 initial requests.Maybe I shouldn’t approach you for a link exchange between your site and the betting section of PremiershipToday.co.uk then ?
If you wanna link, PM me. If you don’t, don’t. Even though you’re a Gooner, I’ll still visit your site
slotplayer wrote:All that is required to increase page rank is to exchange links with a related site that has a higher page rank. Optimize a site and get some good content and a decent pagerank will naturally follow.Increasing PR is the easy part. Actually being found in the search engines for even mildly competitive gambling keywords is all about the number and quality of links you can get pointing back to you. If you are only looking for exchanges that result in traffic, then there are a few sites out there. If you are planning on rising up in the SERPs, you will need a ton of links.
Since Dom is being used as an example (sorry Dom), I will point to the fact that her site has 43,345 backlinks, so it would be expected that her site is ranking well for the terms being targeted. Our site has 5,597 backlinks and is still being ignored by Google (thanks Yahoo though).
It should also be mentioned that reciprocal links is by no means the only way to gain backlinks. Creating a ton of content, writing articles, participating in forums such as this all gains you a link that counts.
webber286 wrote:Since Dom is being used as an example (sorry Dom), I will point to the fact that her site has 43,345 backlinks, so it would be expected that her site is ranking well for the terms being targeted. Our site has 5,597 backlinks and is still being ignored by Google (thanks Yahoo though).I am willing to bet (but not to spend my time on this) that of all these backlinks probably at least 40,000 are blackhat sites. And I think it’s likely a lot more than that.
Even on the first page of google http://www.gamesandcasino.com there are 4 blackhatters. I am totally riddled with blackhatters linking to me, partially to ride on my rankings, partially to try to google bowl me.
Don’t forget that there are five years of work behind this site, and for four years I put all earnings back into site development, not traffic buys or my pocket.
I see links as a limited resource. Every outbound link depletes this resource. Linking out to inferior sites just to get an inbound link is not recommendable in my opinion. It will give that boost one wants so much for a fledgling site, but it is shortlived success.
If I had a new site I would probably temporarily link to many sites, take the time to make sure they are quality (not high PR but high quality) and once the benefits show I would start cutting down to less and better links.
In the long run, it’s quality and not quality.
And I have always been in it for the long run.
That said, I have a complete review of links on my agenda, and I will likely stop some exchanges and add some one way outbound links.
Call me foolish, but then people have called me that all throughout the growth process.
In the long run, it’s quality and not quality.
I was always in one of the top 3 SERP’s for the keyword “slot tips” in both Google and Yahoo for years, up until about 18-20 months ago and I just had a few inbound/outbound links.
It just seems there are so many more gambling sites now than there was a few years ago. Don’t remember reading about all the sleezy tactics there seems to be now. but maybe I was just under a rock or something.
I am willing to bet (but not to spend my time on this) that of all these backlinks probably at least 40,000 are blackhat sites. And I think it’s likely a lot more than that.
I’m not so sure that quite that many links are black hat coming to you. For example, you have 8,540 posts here at CAP with a link in your signature, which gets reported as 8,540 backlinks. Knowing that you post in other forums quite a bit as well, that may be where many of these links are coming from. Not to say that you aren’t under seige by black hatters, just not quite that much I guess.
I have become increasingly jaded with link exchanges over the years. I ignore most emails now, expecting people to instead submit via the submission forms I place on my sites for that purpose. I used to reply to every submission, letting the submitter know their site was approved (and where it could be found) or explaining why it was rejected. There was a time when I thought a person taking the time to submit a link to my site deserved my taking the time to personally reply. Not anymore…
I still drop an email to those that get approved, but rampant abuse, garbage link submissions, offset exchanges with throw-away domains linking to me, submit bots generating 100s of 500 errors daily as they try to post directly to my DB and every other crap tactic under the sun have so thoroughly pissed me off that most submissions are seen through jaded lenses.
I can’t help it. It doesn’t even feel like a case of the few screwing things up for the many anymore. It feels more like 90% of the sites that want links are morons that I really don’t want to do business with.
No solution, sorry, just the rant today…
And to whomever is running that idiot bot, call the thing off! Your submissions aren’t even getting through, so I couldn’t approve them if I wanted to, so stop wasting the bandwidth! At least get a static IP, so I can block you without blocking everyone running Windows ’98!!!
Gah! :cuss:
webber286 wrote:I’m not so sure that quite that many links are black hat coming to you. For example, you have 8,540 posts here at CAP with a link in your signature, which gets reported as 8,540 backlinks. Knowing that you post in other forums quite a bit as well, that may be where many of these links are coming from. Not to say that you aren’t under seige by black hatters, just not quite that much I guess.Google doesn’t count every post. They count the occasional post. Most posts are dropped after a while, especially if they are not part of a normal pattern.
Alexa credits me with 226 incoming links and that is a lot more realistic.
I have had to remove some of the link exchange submission forms due to the huge amount of junk emails i was getting every day (hundreds!) trying to dump links presumably by an automated script thinking it was a comment form on a blog. These scripts still access my sites every day looking for the forms which are no longer there. It’s incredible.
Since I took them off I don’t get that many. I figure if someone is serious about exchanging links then they’ll take the time to email me. I only ask thast the site is of good quality and is spidered by the search engines. I’m not that bothered about PR which is meaningless these days.
Dominique is in a great position because she has a very established site so there isn’t such a need to build links as they will come naturally, but she’s right, it’s best to be careful in who we link to.
Dominique wrote:Google doesn’t count every post. They count the occasional post. Most posts are dropped after a while, especially if they are not part of a normal pattern.Google doesn’t provide accurate link information (by design apparently). I was referring to Yahoo, which is much closer to accurate. They do count every link, even if they are from the same site.
Yahoo lists every page on my site as a link. There are thousands of pages. Including forum pages, profiles and whatever they can get a hold of. The trash starts as early as page ten, and when you start digging down it’s all blackhat.
Believe me, webber, there are not that many pages linking to me legitimately. And I don’t encourage it really, I have no link pages and I rarely exchange links, and I avoid pages that do have link pages.
Sure, in the course of 5 years a few hundred pages have linked to me legitimately, but the rest is internal links to my own content or blackhatters.
That doesn’t mean at all that you should not link to reputable, known (to you)sites in exchanges. My ranking comes from the age of the site, the fact that it has slowly over the years grown quality unique content, and I think google also looks at visitor behavior.
It is also only one way to gain ranking, there are people in this forum making more money than me without any of the above attributes and lots of good link exchanges instead.
