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greedygirl wrote:For those who are not attending the London events, but look to CAP and/or GPWA as places for knowledge, news and cameraderie, they don’t deserve these distractions. It’s wholly unprofessional.
Spot on Deb – I wish I had written that.
I am truly disappointed on the entire CAP vs GPWA situation – actually disappointed is too light a term, but I’ll leave it for that.
In my opinion, CAP and the GPWA have lost their focus and are alienating everyone – affiliates and affiliate managers – with this back and forth bru ha ha. No one needs this. We have two major events coming up, and the last thing we need is this BS.
I only wish the the energy and resources that have been put into this mess would have been redirected into something more positive. The affiliate and player realm needs vast improvement – not much has changed since the early cowboy days of online gaming – I’ve been in this business longer than most people and I can attest to this. Webmasters, players, and affiliate managers anticipate that organizations and programs are here to improve the gaming environment, not to tear it up.
I look at CAP and the GPWA, and I am expecting much more than what I am seeing. You have the power to better the gaming environment; that should be your focus.
I truly hope I’ve made myself clear
Not really, I have no idea what you’re talking about.
Anyone?
owldeath2;193461 wrote:I truly hope I’ve made myself clearNot really, I have no idea what you’re talking about.
Anyone?
I’m sure Greedygirl is referring to these threads:
http://www.casinoaffiliateprograms.com/bb/cyber-stalking-and-worse-by-gpwa-and-apcw-they-posted-my-home-address-today.33203.html?http://www.gpwa.org/forum/apcw-perspectives-friday-01-09-09-a-178452.html
http://www.gpwa.org/forum/cardspike-cap-gambling911-178366.html
Read the threads – then re-read our posts and then I’m sure things will make more sense.
Ohhh dear…
Well as you say greedygirl you have no side in this and no bias and it’s easy when you’re not involved to say ‘six of one half a dozen of the other’ but without all the facts, and without anything personally at stake it isn’t really for you to say ‘enough already’. It isn’t a case of banging heads together and saying let’s be friends, just more standing back and hoping it’s resolved quickly for the sake of the industry, not that any other industry is any better – look at the state of banking, cars, housing etc We’re shining becomes of decency compared to some!
I am so bored of this – I think the “situation” has been dramtically increased by the posts in GPWA because there really wasn’t an issue until those posts started and everyone jumped on the drama because, hey, people love drama and forget there is actually hundreds of individuals that are affected by these posts – If things need to be discussed it needs to be done under the table not out infront for the world to see, but thats just my opinion and as I say, I really believe this “situation” has only become so big and serious because of those threads – Its a self fulfilling prophecy
Anyway – I 100% agree – Enough!
@owldeath2 193464 wrote:
Ohhh dear…
Well as you say greedygirl you have no side in this and no bias and it’s easy when you’re not involved to say ‘six of one half a dozen of the other’ but without all the facts, and without anything personally at stake it isn’t really for you to say ‘enough already’. It isn’t a case of banging heads together and saying let’s be friends, just more standing back and hoping it’s resolved quickly for the sake of the industry, not that any other industry is any better – look at the state of banking, cars, housing etc We’re shining becomes of decency compared to some!
IMO With a statement like that YOU are part of the problem! If you want to see this BS then turn on a soap opera or something. Greedygirl and Casinomeister are SPOT ON and do have the right to say ENOUGH is ENOUGH.
I don’t want to see it, of course not! I want it to be resolved like everyone else, it’s just none of my business is all – there are personal conflicts that run deep and facts we don’t know, some of which may need to be disclosed in public if some of the allegations prove to be correct. I don’t know exactly what is being proposed in this thread or how it can solve the grievances of the parties who are actually involved.
I said pretty much the same on the GPWA –
I don’t want to come to events where i have to keep a list who hates whom, so i don’t accidentally bring the warring camps together. Also, it’s not really hard to do a journalistic expose on your friends/colleagues/competitors, but it’s pretty offense in this industry. People in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones (i only mean, if you want your privacy to be respected, you have to respect others).
This is new:
It’s this sort of recurrent warfare at the GPWA and CAP over the years that has kept me from ever sporting a “seal” from either group on my sites. I don’t want to be associated with the Hatfields or the McCoys.Ok look everyone here is my suggestion and I hope some agree and maybe will consider this idea. What I think needs to happen is this needs to all be resolved in London face to face and off the forums. This has has caused too many speculations and flames for weeks now and it is effecting everyone.
What I suggest is maybe Meister can sit down with all parties involved and arbitrate this mess and get it resolved once and for all. That is if he is willing but I see non other in this biz that can help get this mess cleared up and stay totally unbiased at the same time. Of course it will mean some prides will have to be bent but I think it is worth it in the end and detrimental to end this war.
Anyway just an idea..
Good idea, though it could be that the situation is intractable.. would the Meister want to be the equivalent of the UN in a Palestine/Israel battle?
Apologies if the analogy is inappropriate.
I doubt all parties will be present in London and with lawyers involved probably not going to happen that casinomeister can sort it out.I agree with AMCAN this is too much to keep track of.
I read the forums ,watch the videos and go to live events .The live events are great to meet managers but I think I will be visiting Israel ,Australia , London ,New Zealand and South Africa on my own and mix my family vacations with business in the future.We are going to London for the last week in May so any Managers who live in London area can contact us for a meeting:)What’s worse is not even knowing which side your suppose to be on? lol.
I know which side I AM on, … that’s my own.
And I agree with what’s been said that now it has reached a point where you need a program and one that is constantly updated.
people that limit themselves to one forum do themselves great injustice. I learn from them all and my biggest problem with them is they take up too much of my time because they’re great places to be … when there isn’t a war going on.
To choose a side and do justice, … you’d need to know all the details … all the way back. This isn’t a one issue situation.
And as someone mentioned here and as I’ve said publicly before … all parties have made mistakes (with exception of perhaps one or two that found themselves dragged in and becoming victim of circumstance … before they knew what was happening).
but yes it is very distracting and I would poise the question where does it finally come to rest? Things have gotten pretty bad already and I don’t see any solutions to some of the issues which are a matter of “you can’t go back”.
Its a serious problem and MHO is that CAP’s best move is to distant itself quietly the same way Mcdonalds doesn’t recognize Hardees when they want a challenge. Forge ahead and don’t look either back nor side to side but at same time do so with integrity and business intent and not approach things on a personal level.
* I hope I did not overstep my bounds by sharing my opinion on what’s to be done in the future but I do love this place and that’s the way I would like to see it proceed.
A number of posters here and elsewhere have posted that they would like to see a “truce” between GPWA/APCW and CAP, some have even said they are disappointed in us. While we can understand and appreciate everyone wants a peaceful environment to work in this is patently unfair because we have done nothing to instigate or warrant this campaign of defamation that GPWA initiated.
For weeks we have endured constant slander from that group without doing anything. If you examine the reality of what’s happened you would agree that CAP has behaved professionally and have taken the high road despite constant provocation. We did NOT engage in any “board wars”. War was declared on us and we sat back silently waiting for it to stop.
Here are the facts, we invite you to verify them:
There have been absolutely no negative threads at CAP about GPWA/APCW until they published the home address of the Professor and endangered him and his family. This was a cowardly and sick thing to do to anyone. At some point you can no longer be silent when you are under constant harassment and attack and we made our one and only post on the matter.
GPWA has been actively trying to damage both CAP and its employees for weeks. It started with polls at GPWA about who’s been banned at CAP and has been non-stop ever since. During that time we did not have one negative thread or poll about GPWA, APCW, Michael or J Todd or anyone in their organization here at CAP. If there is any doubt of that check the archives. GPWA, on the other hand had numerous slanderous and insulting threads and posts about CAP and their senior staff were seen actively fanning the flames and encouraging more posts by a small segment of their members who gravitate towards hostility and negativity. If they were a professional organization they would have stepped in and stopped that vile behavior. That’s what we at CAP do. We don’t allow slander or sniper attacks here and that’s been stated and proven over the years. The few people that we actually have banned were shown the door for this sort of hostile behavior.
APCW has run a series of slanderous attacks in their videos on both CAP and The Professor and Warren. On CAPTV we have aired nothing negative or hostile about the GPWA or APCW. Again they have been the sole aggressor and appear to be doing their best to damage our business and community.
We have written nothing negative or hostile in our newsletters about GPWA or APCW or their staff.
A truce implies there are two sides actively fighting. If anyone can show where CAP, our staff or the Professor have publically made posts, threads, newsletter articles, videos or ANYTHING hostile towards GPWA or APCW then please do so. The sole post/thread at CAP regarding these constant attacks was made on Friday by the Professor when they posted his home address in their video.It’s a commonly used cliché that “there are always two sides to a story”, but in reality that is not always true. When people are victims of an attack very often they have done NOTHING to warrant it. If you take time to examine the facts and read everything and watch all of our videos you will see for yourself we did NOTHING to justify this behavior by GPWA/APCW.
There was no “board war”. The smear campaign GPWA and Michael Corfman have launched on CAP and its staff is totally one sided so there isn’t much we can do to “stop the war” or “sign a truce”.
Accusing CAP of poor behavior towards GPWA /APCW is akin to saying the holocaust had two sides and the Nazis must have acted under provocation or misconception. Sometimes what wrong is wrong and there ARENT two sides to the equation.
There are no misconceptions either. Michael Corfman has attempted to lie his way out of their horrid behavior on Friday by saying he believed he was posting office addresses. Even if this were true, which it isn’t, it wouldn’t excuse the constant harassment and attacks on our community and staff.
What gives GPWA/APCW the right to focus all their efforts on damaging anyone else? This doesn’t serve affiliates or the industry. It’s not being done to achieve anything positive. Would you welcome this sort of attack on you or your business? Would you tolerate this invasion of privacy?
One thing posted that is true is this campaign of destruction by GPWA/APCW does need to stop and it needs to stop NOW.
It’s one thing to compete in a marketplace honorably. We have built CAP with one goal in mind, strengthening the industry, our affiliate members and our certified partners. We constantly pour money into making a better and more productive environment for all members. We strive to make our conferences better and more effective. We work hard to produce a quality magazine for affiliates to learn and grow their businesses and we distribute it freely. We created ASOP to add excitement at our shows and for affiliates to cash in at our events. We have awarded over $100,000 in cash and prizes to the winners of ASOP. We give back to the community weekly via CAP Money. The point here is we give back and do our best each and every day. That’s how we compete. We do it honorably. We DON’T attempt to grow our business by negative and constant attacks on others. That is NOT honorable, it’s not professional and it’s not defendable. Unfortunately that’s the path GPWA has chosen to try to advance their position.
Hopefully this is the last public statement we will have to issue on this. We honestly want to concentrate on making CAP a better place for you instead of wasting valuable time and energy defending ourselves from lies and rumors.
We would appreciate your support in this matter. CAP will always be there for its affiliate members and certified partners despite the negative efforts of others. We hope we can we count on everyone to encourage GPWA/APCW to stop this abuse? It’s not a matter of choosing sides it’s a matter of seeing something terrible going on and stepping forward to help put an end to it.
And finally Godwin’s law rears its ugly head.
WarrenCAP;193522 wrote:A number of posters here and elsewhere have posted that they would like to see a “truce” between GPWA/APCW and CAP, some have even said they are disappointed in us. While we can understand and appreciate everyone wants a peaceful environment to work in this is patently unfair because we have done nothing to instigate or warrant this campaign of defamation that GPWA initiated…I can understand your frustration, but why the namecalling? Granted, we have two businesses which seem to be butting heads at the moment, but to publicly call your opponents “assholes” and “sick evil and wicked bastards” and to make this a sticky thread on your main index page seems over the top. Honestly, I find this disappointing. No matter how upset one may get at your “nemesis” one must think like a Vulcan and not let emotions get in the way.
This is an incredibly small industry (relatively speaking), and scenes like this affect everyone. (Hell, I’m even posting here hoping to pass on some advice.) I don’t think CAP is handling this particularly well and this is alienating quite a number of people.
Of all threads that should have been placed in the “private” section, it should have been that one – not this.
Just my two cents.
