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What is the site?
How long was it listed?
How had the site changed overtime that might lead to reasons for it being deleted?
Do you feel it was a top quality site in its field?
How have your google rankings and/ or traffic in general changed since the deletion?
HyperCasinos.com was listed for over two years. No major changes that I could think of…
I have no idea whats in the DMOZ category you mentioned as its not in my field, so I dont know the quality of sites in there.
However, Im being honest here, while your site is good, its average.
Its very commercial. Dmoz does list commerial sites but has to be good content to.
On your site I clicked game guides, then went to the Baccarat page
Baccarat – Online Casinos – Play Online Casino Games at HyperCasinos.comShows to me as one big block of text. Not great content.
Assuming the rest of site is similar quality, then there are plenty of better sites out there which would deserve a listing before yours.
Just my honest opinion.
BY the way, please answer, what effect has the delisting had on your traffic, SE rankings?
@Webzcas 216717 wrote:
If you are going to submit a site to DMOZ, make sure your site meets the listing requirements for the category you submit it to. Contrary to popular belief, DMOZ does list affiliate sites – but those sites need to offer something to the end user – ie the web surfer.
If your site is full of affiliate links and banners which far outweigh the content, then the chances of your site being listed are probably less than none. Also if the content on your site only features promotional adcopy fare, provided by the affiliate programs or something similar – then again it is very likely to never get listed.
You know what I mean – This casinos is great, the best, blah blah blah.
The key to getting your site listed is to offer something which is unique to the category that you are submitting to.
Unfortunately this is just another incident of the “Editor” not practicing what they preach.
Exhibit A in which you are an editor:
Open Directory – Games: Gambling: Guides
From this dmoz “submit url” guidelines for this category:
“This category is for sites offering unique and useful content on various gambling issues. This content must be non-promotional and could be gambling tips, strategies, rules and gaming business articles for example.
Sites offering casino or software reviews should submit to the Reviews subcategory.“
Half the sites listed are nothing more than either from the same people or from the inner circle of forum members. Are they successfully SEO’d sites, yes, do they meet the criteria, no. (In my mind what does that lead me to believe, $) Your site defies the guidelines as well. onlinecasinoreviewer.com/
I have three gambling sites listed in Dmoz of about 10 we submitted back in 2006/2007.IMO the worst 3 sites got the listing while the valuable ones did not.It is not what it use to be for sure.
The gambling sections of dmoz have been corrupt for years – I expect they still are. Dmoz itself is corrupt to the core and ALL the way to the top. This isn’t speculation, it’s fact.
Editors have been paid huge sums of money to get listed in prime categories (including gambling). Editors have listed their own sites and deleted competitors sites. I’ve seen editors notes that blatantly give false reasons for removing/denying sites. It’s a corrupt cesspool and I wouldn’t want to be listed there now even if it was an option. No thanks, I want no part of them.
Seeing as this is a hot potato on another forum recently, I felt it right to necro this thread.
Editors have been paid huge sums of money to get listed in prime categories (including gambling). Editors have listed their own sites and deleted competitors sites. I’ve seen editors notes that blatantly give false reasons for removing/denying sites. It’s a corrupt cesspool and I wouldn’t want to be listed there now even if it was an option. No thanks, I want no part of them.
Sure there has undoubtedly been corruption in DMOZ over the years. But I can assure you now the categories I edit in and also the other gambling categories, I have not seen any such behaviour amongst the current editors. I am an editor so I know exactly what I am talking about.
Anyhow, to right a few misconceptions out there, I have written in total three articles about DMOZ during my time as an editor.
In chronological order they are:
DMOZ – The Open Directory Project
DMOZ AND ONLINE GAMBLING PORTALS
DMOZ – A GAMBLING RESOURCE AND RIGHTING SOME ILL CONCEIVED MISCONCEPTIONSBtw the myth that a dmoz link is an all important powerful seo link is balderdash. Since Online Casino Reviewer has been removed from the directory, it’s rankings have actually flown up google.
@Webzcas 225951 wrote:
Sure there has undoubtedly been corruption in DMOZ over the years. But I can assure you now the categories I edit in and also the other gambling categories, I have not seen any such behaviour amongst the current editors. I am an editor so I know exactly what I am talking about.
Btw the myth that a dmoz link is an all important powerful seo link is balderdash. Since Online Casino Reviewer has been removed from the directory, it’s rankings have actually flown up google.
Agrees with Webzcas, I’m a DMOZ editor and I have a few friends who are also DMOZ editors, and we as a whole it irks us to think that people would corrupt DMOZ, saying that, none of us have been approached for cash for links, and we operate inside the guidelines.
And the DMOZ link being all important, DMOZ is just one link… its feed might get syndicated out to other websites, which can give you another 20-30 links, but still.. look at it as one links.
@allfreechips 216618 wrote:
In ther old days it made a giant push for google rankings, that is no longer the case as of the last 3 years. DMOZ is great as you pick up a lot of links from sites using dmoz data but its really not a giant beast as it used to be.
This is certainly true to a degree, a single listing will not give the boost that it once did – it takes a bit more work and a bit more coordinating among listed sites – if you pull that off the dmoz listing can and will still give you a huge push in Google.
Lets not pretend that dmoz listings do very little, specially when you consider gaming the system and lets be totally honest here, most webmasters do not want a link in dmoz because they think the dmoz listing will bring them lots of traffic! They do it because it boost their Google rankings and potentially their pocket-books if things go their way!
Certainly a single listing alone can only do so much, but if you can some how leverage a listing for a dozen+ of your pals and then get all those listed sites to link back to your site(s) from their homepage – it should be pretty clear that the PR juice pushing through those sites and thus the dmoz veins will stick a whole lot deeper! Once you’ve got that PR juice surging go ahead and send some links back to the dmoz categories and pump them up a bit too! And, heck if by a longshot chance a potential customer clicks that link back to the directory – they’ll be referred to all your pals sites – since most of the competition is kept out!
Does any of this mean that sites which are not afforded a dmoz listing have no chance of getting to the top of Google? Of course not – you can still get there, but its going to take a whole lot more work to get around those who are cutting corners by gaming the dmoz system! Least until Google stops giving credence to the dmoz product. If and when that happens you can bet the quality of dmoz will quickly improve as there will be not be as much motivation to game it.
If you can get a dmoz listing and you can get a link back to your dmoz listed site from a dozen or so other dmoz listed sites – you will go to the top of Google – its not an unproven theory its a fact! By the same token if you can simply get dozens of one way homepage links to your site from dmoz listed sites you don’t even need the dmoz listing for your site!
Plenty of crappy sites atop Google because they’ve abused dmoz – just a few months ago one such individual had nearly a dozen sites listed most all linking back to another of their sites via one way homepage links – despite most of the feeders being nixed at dmoz, the site that was fed still sits atop Google! Eventually it will drop but despite claims above its not immediate!
As for sites being removed and not dropping – Well sites (depending on their dmoz age) which are removed from dmoz will not always see an immediate impact on their Google rankings, least of all one which is still heavily linked to from other dmoz listed sites. Not until Google updates its mirrored image of the directory – not until all the sites which were using the dmoz data dump update their data and then not until Google recrawls each and every one of them will a drastic drop be seen! That drop could take well over a year and will likely be a casual slow change – not immediate!
@Rak 225952 wrote:
And the DMOZ link being all important, DMOZ is just one link… its feed might get syndicated out to other websites, which can give you another 20-30 links, but still.. look at it as one links.
20-30 links? Last I had seen the dmoz RDF Dump is used by hundreds of other sites including of course Google … a dmoz link will not just mean 20-30 links – it will mean HUNDREDS of links. Now get a dozen+ sites listed and interlink between them and you’ve got thousands upon thousands of links working for you!
Dont take my word for any of this, or for that matter nor that of anyone else, least of all a dmoz editor. This is all just my personal opinion, if you are curious do your own research and see for your own eyes – develop your own opinion – it just might be the same as mine, maybe not. One things for sure there is plenty of info out on “Google” regarding dmoz abuse / fraud.
I am going to be proactive here – I do NOT allow personal attacks.
Let’s stick to discussing dmoz, link juice, and other pertinent things, but do NOT attack each other as persons.
If that is what you feel like doing, don’t touch the keyboard until you are sure you are answering things pertaining to dmoz itself and how link juice works, nothing else.
If you just want a free for all, there are other places to go.
I know – no one has said anything that attacks another person here – yet.
I am fixing to leave and I don’t want to come back in the morning to a battlefield.
This is a professional board, keep it professional.
No worries Dom I a here to watch the thread
@arkyt 225980 wrote:
Plenty of crappy sites atop Google because they’ve abused dmoz – just a few months ago one such individual had nearly a dozen sites listed most all linking back to another of their sites via one way homepage links – despite most of the feeders being nixed at dmoz, the site that was fed still sits atop Google! Eventually it will drop but despite claims above its not immediate!
So, all links have to be one way? That way one would have to own all the sites, or have some linking circle where all the links are one way.
Don’t you think google knows the age of links and would notice if suddenly a bunch of sites popped up in DMOZ and started linking to each other?
Maybe I give google too much credit, but I tend to think these are old, dirty tricks and hence prone to eventually get the sites into google hell. I don’t see how a quality info site would take such a risk, especially if it’s an old, established site ranking well on it’s own merit.
So then it would be down to the qualifications of the site. Obviously there are many, many sites with good content, but only so many DMOZ spots. So each site listed would have to be the most comprehensive info resource on it’s specific topic. Then again, there are often innovative, fun sites that have a lot to offer to visitors without being comprehensive on their topic.
How do you think sites should be picked?
@Dominique 225994 wrote:
So, all links have to be one way? That way one would have to own all the sites, or have some linking circle where all the links are one way.[/quote]
No that is not what I said – in the particular paragraph that you are referencing I was commenting on a recent and unrelated abuse which involved juicing sites which were not listed. That is of course not necessary and is not the case for most individuals who are employing dmoz as part of their optimization schemes.
@Dominique 225994 wrote:
How do you think sites should be picked?
In an unbiased manner which is fully in accordance with all dmoz editorial guidelines.
I mean, what criteria should be used to make a decision between like 5 sites that do qualify under the (rather vague) dmoz guidelines?
Obviously DMOZ can’t list every decent site that’s online.
@Dominique 226000 wrote:
I mean, what criteria should be used to make a decision between like 5 sites that do qualify under the (rather vague) dmoz guidelines?
Obviously DMOZ can’t list every decent site that’s online.
If 5 submitted sites, or for that matter 1 million submitted sites, all “qualified” under to the guidelines as you have stated – then they should all obtain a listing.
The stated mission of the directory project is to “create the most comprehensive and definitive directory of the Web…”
Most of the criterion for listings sites is available to the public …
Open Directory Editorial Guidelines
Open Directory Editorial Guidelines – Site Selection Criteria
Open Directory Editorial Guidelines – Site Specific GudielinesThey also have a page that helps identify what they consider to be abuse …
Frequently Asked Questions About the DMOZ Abuse Report System
All the info is out there folks – if you are interested seek it out; if you are not then dont.
Have a great day!
