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Good question.
Same old tricks…..
In my case I went 7K negative and asked them to wipe it out, but when they said no I was okay with it because I figured I could get out of the hole in a few months and replace the banners with another brand.
After telling them that they offered to give me a flat fee of 12K for the old account and being that I was in the process of moving and figured that I recover some of that expense by agreeing to the CPays deal I agreed.
Biggest mistake I ever made as an affiliate was to trust them because I spent 13K cash on a vehical once I moved to the Domincan Republic expecting to replace it once I got paid.
Oh well, it’s not like they have such great casinos / poker rooms anyway. I think I heard about 32Vegas before, but that’s it.. not strongly branded casinos are they?
I guess my point is that it’s probably not the affiliate losing most in getting rid of them.
cpays is pretty much as bad as it gets. wouldnt ever deal with them.
i worked closely with my affiliate manager, its worth mentioning that in 2 years of working with them i outlived 3 or 4 managers (they had bigger staff turnover then McDs) , only to have my account closed for being in the negative. they kept 300 of my players. awesome stunt. somehow they blamed me for players who kept on winning and held me responsible for bonus abusers based out of an internet cafe in greece.
they wouldn’t deal with my issue until i posted it on CAP and magic magic, the program manager starts calling me on the phone. of course he wouldnt open the account but did offer to open a new one for me … how nice of him.
then all those blackhatter competitions they ran on their website. rank for a particular cpays scam phrase in google, yahoo and msn and win 10k. clever! especially when you are trying to promote ethical marketing :flush: didnt that strategy backfire, they even ended up changing their name.
what else, did i mention affiliate managers not speaking proper english? where they would back out of their statements because they didnt understand what you were saying? i ended up sending them chat transcripts to prove what they told me the day before…or was it because they were not being honest. doesnt matter
how about chasing payments every month?
negative carryover?
non-replies to emails when issues got hot?
you name it, cpays have done it!
when i see their stall at conferences, i walk 10 meters around it not to ever bring up the topic of their existence. fun fun fun. the only way cpays could make money is by writting a book on how to NOT be an affiliate program.
i guess the issue lies with the owners of the program, since they are enticing such behaviour from their aff. managers. as far as i was told, cpays is closely related to playtech as somewhere they share ownership by the same person. apparently cpays is also related to europartners (casinopartners) and they sure share some interesting traits.
over and out.
@Engineer 160130 wrote:
Good question.
Same old tricks…..
The reason they open new account is because their affiliate managers are incentivised in some way. So if they open a new account they have you under them.
Classic cse of sales people poaching each other’s customers.
I have stopped actively promoting cpays in 2006. And don’t think will start again ever.
For April and may 2005 cpays owed me about $2800, the payment I have never got to my account. And they state the payment was send!
For this period I think, 2 or 3 affiliate managers were changed – no sign of improvement! They only offer me to open a new account!
I had little choice but to start using them again a few months ago when my poker school partner shut down and their epokerschool was the only alternative which also offered a free bankroll.
Since then the conversion hasn’t been quite as good, maybe 75% of what it was with the old site but they have paid regularly with no problems so far.
The reason I stopped was a massive negative that they wouldn’t wipe out under any circumstance, fair enough, but then left me with zero incentive to promote them. They have got rid of it since, or maybe it just played itself out, not too sure!
OK, so I’m probably going to be run out of town for this post….
Cpays have been wonderful for me.
They paid for my honeymoon last year (I live in New Zealand, so it’s a freakin long way to go!) which included Business Class airfares from AKL to LAX, then down to Cancun, then a trip through Mexico/Belize/Guatemala and back up to Vegas for a week.
Then they paid for another trip to Las Vegas earlier this year (2 weeks, top suites at Planet Hollywood and Golden Nugget too).
Looks like they will be paying for my next trip to Texas later this year and possibly CAP Spain if I get my promo right….
I have tried a lot of different programs, and still actively promote a variety of programs, but I’m not sure what it is, but Cpays (or maybe Playtech in general) seem to get my players to spend a LOT.
I know this goes against everything I’ve read here, and every other experience everyone has had, but for me personally, these guys are great.
I’ve always been paid on time, never had a problem….
AND I know a lot of my players personally (esp my bigger players) and NONE of them have ever complained about Cpays properties, yet I’ve had my fair share of ‘issues’ with some of the ‘safer’ ones….
DISCLAIMER:
I DO NOT WORK for Cpays/AffUnited.
Have never even met anyone from their organisation.
When I say they paid for this stuff, I mean that my commission earned from these guys paid for this stuff
The NZ$ = .78c US right now…..so it’s the WORST time for me to be promoting casinos, much better when $1NZ = .60cUS (1 year ago) – so even with the high $NZ, it’s still VERY good!
Guess I’m the exception to the rule?!
If they are cleaning up their act, I say give them another chance, they work for me!
I can definately understand how you feel in that regards. In fact I was making posts like yours years ago when CPays would sponsor my Las Vegas Conference trips. They would pay for my airfare (one time from ourside of the USA) and hotel (the last one was at the Wynn @ $350 a night) as well as my CAC pass.
It may have something to do with the fact that you are not a US affiliate because once the UIGEA hit US affiliates seems to be treated like crap by some programs.
If it works for you then that’s cool. Just watch your back because one day all of those players that are making big deposits could be taken away.
All programs are great until they aren’t if that makes any sense. When I was pushing them I was actually happy with conversions, payments were coming in on time and everything was cool. Then they hit me up for more exposure so I hit them up on an advance, needless to say I held up my end of the bargain and they did not. I even recently declined a 5 digit advance from them because I know its just a matter of time before they beat me out of some serious cash if I push them.
It’s not worth it, not to me anyway, and if you are real intent on working with them I certainly wouldn’t grow a huge player base on revenue share, do a cpa and be happy with what you get and get the cheese in the door so you don’t put them in the position to hold you hostage like they have done with so many other affiliates. As a whole playtech affiliate programs are probably more underhanded then most in my opinion. Thats why I have changed the way I do business with them and opt for cpa with most of them. Just my opinion but opinions are like assholes, everyone has one.
I have a pretty good BS detector, and when I see someone contradict themselves I see a deceptive or disorganized mind. In this case I decided it was deceptive and stopped negotiations.
I have had offers of buying my old account, starting new accounts for higher rev share, CPA based on high minimums, and what not all. The way these were presented, and the occasional contradictions and lies just raised a lot of red flags for me and I declined.
That said, I did have a pure rev share account with them, and apart from a huge negative there was nothing extraordinary about it and they did pay monies owed.
All of this took place a couple years ago, I haven’t promoted them in some time.
I still want to know what these new changes are.
Just echoing most everyones experiences here…..
These guys don’t follow through, often offer stuff out loud and then retract, they have threatened reduction of % commissions below their stated T&Cs, and I have the same problem Dominque seems to have. BIG winner years ago… and although I close positive 300+ or so this month and that month, always, a negative will come along to prevent me having any money due.
Coincidence all these affiliates have these troubles? I don’t think so.
These are my opinions, and experiences of myself and others I know.
For me if a program is dishonest, it’s over. There really is no reason to waste your time playing games any longer. Their links have been removed and will not be coming back ….
I ENJOYED TYPING THOSE WORDS! :santa2:
The guys at CPAYs really tried to convince me that they have made a complete 180 since the old days. I wanted to see if that is true especially with affiliates who are promoting them today.
They spent quite a bit of money at CAC and they seemed really interested in redeeming themselves on CAP despite all the unpopular opinions. Is it possible they have done everything to be on the up and up? Maybe they’re going out of their way to prove it and by doing so, perhaps they’re willing to go above and beyond?
I don’t know for sure but I’d like to find out. However I still haven’t heard back from them yet as I’ve requested a call with them to go over all the changes that they are claiming. I’ll keep trying to get that info and I’ll keep you guys posted.
Hopefully you can shed some light on whether these statements are accurate. At least we’ve gotten a few responses that are positive. If some you guys won’t ever promote CPAYs again, that’s completely understandable. At the very least some of us will value knowing whether they’re legit or not.
Hi John,
The only way I can give them the benefit of the doubt that they changed anything, but their name, is by paying old affiliates that are owned money from deals that were made in good faith. Has that issue ever been discussed or raised?
I’d like to hear from an affiliate that was NOT paid in the past, but has since been approached and paid after the 180 degree turnaround.
Maybe they should have used some of the money they used at the conference to settle old debts with us affiliates.
This is just my opinion:
If a banker ripped you off and then next week promises not to do that to you again, would you still trust them with your money to “find out if they are legit” ? or to find out if “maybe they won’t get me this time?”
Why not just go to a reputable bank?
George Santayana famously warned that those who fail to learn the lessons of history are doomed to repeat it.
this is not the way to deal with this. :hattip:
If I worked for Cpays: when asked how to handle the damaged image, I’d suggest this:
Let’s change our name and treat a few affiliate really nice – we do a really, really good job with this. After they are sure we have changed our ways they will make their way back to the forums and unwittingly become our spokespeople and front lines against any negative words from offended affiliates.
Yes, there will be affiliates that resist as there always is, but the beauty of my plan boss, is to get the other affiliates to fight for us, instead of us having to defend ourselves…. pretty good eh boss??? eh?
When I was 14-20+ yrs old, I was a hacker. We called this sort of technique “Social Engineering” it’s not new, its definitely nasty and the weapon of choice in most modern day imperialist governments and ruthless corporations. The only way to make change ANYWHERE, is to identify, ostracize and move on.
Don’t fall for this….. :flush:
