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I agree along with so many others!
greek39
This is so sad… But something we all felt about this organization for a long time.
Maybe we should have a decertification poll. For a LONG time, I have wondered (along with probably 90% of the board members here) why CPays is still certified at CAP. Does any of this bear any weight?? I would think so.
I would have to say CP should not be here on CAP. This is a shady place and they will not turn to a good program, just will not happen and there are other programs taking on some the she shady practices this program is using and still remaining certified. I understand it is important to have a company here at CAP for communication interest but this place has shown over and over they have no intentions of communicating and they certainly do not intend to change anything they do marketing wise.sneaky.gif
The problem with Cpays compared to other programs is that you’ll really don’t know them unless you spend more time with them. They’ll make good on a few things (make calls, send you an advance, smooth talk you at conferences) but they operate dirty on the backend (shifting players to different brands, spamming your listing). The result is that you’ll make a bit of money with them but you won’t get a good feeling from doing it in the long term. They’re the quintessential “wolf in sheep’s clothing” and will eat you alive while you’re not aware of it.
A lot of their staff circulate from CPartners, IOG, Tradal and other Israel-based operations. But more than the staff the core is just crooked lead by Yael and Henry.
Though we stopped working with them, this forum is valuable for affiliates. They don’t do the things worthy of decertification – ie. not paying affiliates, cheating players but they do the things that are simply unethical and counterproductive to their partners – spamming, blackhatting, stealing traffic etc. etc.
I simply want people to be aware of the practices before they consider committing more with them and realize the type of company this is. My colleague has told me a lot more even more serious stuff they do which we won’t get into.
I thought Yael left years ago.
I am also not aware of crossing personell with CPartners, IOG, Tradal and other Israel-based operations?
Although Tradal would be logical….
Nope he’s still there, though there may be several Yaels. Yael runs the show there all right, he just doesn’t show up.
As for crossing personnel, what I meant is that a lot of the staff circulate among these companies. They are competitors but they recruit from one another, so I’ve experienced the same manager who gets fired from Cpartners go to cpays, then quits then ends up at IOG and then ending up at Tradal. All at the same time passing affiliate info and intelligence along.
Tradal is a partner there though with today’s announcement of PartyGaming acquiring EOL this may no longer be the case.
The biggest problem with the Israeli firms is that “confidential” information from one company tends to easily move on the the next company and that b/c the staff move around, their unscrupulous practices tend to also circulate. These employees have base salaries that are not high (about $1-$1.5K/mo) so they need to make it up in incentive bonuses and this means that stolen data and unscrupulous business practices are encouraged. These same employees are also affiliate marketers on the side for other companies in the industry – all fuelled by stolen data caused by low salaries.
I can’t say the people who work there are bad, after all my colleague we recruited used to work there, it’s just that the environment there breeds a certain type and it’s highly encouraged by their management.
One thing I forgot to mention is how they do their spamming and hacking. In Israel there are many Russian immigrants, Cpays hires a division of Russian hackers/spammers who are PhD level – the best around. Their only job is to figure out (at $1k / mo) how to blackhat and compete with affiliates. It’s starting to be common practice with the Israeli marketing agencies.
I agree 100% tcweb and can prove some of it. I often refer to them as the Mediterranean triangle. Your post reinforces what I logged over the past year.
greek39
Dominique wrote:I thought Yael left years ago.I am also not aware of crossing personell with CPartners, IOG, Tradal and other Israel-based operations?
Although Tradal would be logical….
What other programs operate from Israel? Gpromo…as far as I know.
I guess we need a list; Not to be discriminating, just to look out for.Not all programs from Israel are bad. This type of discrimination is just as bad as racism.
One example of a stellar program from this region is Bright Share. You cannot possibly have a nicer staff to work with.
But I do agree some stuff with Casino Pays does not add up.
Most certainly agree antoine, but a vast majority do. I could post roughly 100 spam sites from Casino Partners. The spam changes weekly kinda rotates from Casino Tropez, Clubdice, Carnival then back to a bit of Empire stuff. Empire being from Cyprus, very interesting little triangle.
A few months ago I received a call from Casino Partners. They wanted to know how I was doing and if it would be possible to increase their exposure. Certainly not I told them not until you stop scraping my site. Within two hours the Casino Tropez splash pages defaulted to a Google search pages. Well that should be proof enough. In regards to Cpays well they just don’t talk to me.
greek39
Hi everybody,
Unfortunately I wasn’t able to reply here since our account was disabled from posting and I also spent the last 2 months in the Philippines and the connection was pretty bad and now while waiting in the Hong Kong terminal for my flight home I can I relate to some of the “accusation” mentioned in this thread:
1. CPays has never dealt with spamming or blackhatting content scraping etc. furthermore we have taken the measures to prevent our affiliates from doing so by adding a section in our terms and conditions.
2. The only changes made in the terms and conditions were the addition of the anti-spam/content theft etc…Section, and the negative balance policy – both in favor of our affiliates.
3. 32Vegas Casino is owned by Crown Solution Gaming and has nothing to do with 32Red Casino. As for CPays stealing content :whoa: I would really like to see an example.
4. Huh?
5. CPays offer both Revenue Share and CPA to our affiliates. An affiliate can choose his/her desired commission type. Our revenue share is for lifetime.
6. This makes a lot of sense obviously :rollover: all the companies in this business like to help one another even if it means losing some business here and there :blahblah: – this was of course me being a bit cynical :lookaroun
7a. The affiliate wasn’t notified about the change? So how can the affiliate know there was a change?
7b. I think no comment is needed on this one.
7c. ?
One final note: Yael is a she and no longer works in our company for over 2 years now…:nono:
Oh and last but not least about the team of Russian immigrants doing the hacking and spamming for us – hehe…you are so on to us we tried to hide them behind the team of monkeys doing the content theft and scraping for 1000 bananas/month :1Dopey:
To sum it all up I would like to say I didn’t mean for my reply to sound so extreme, but I think that (and I believe greek will support this statement) one should check the facts and investigate on his own to reveal the truth.
Now before boarding my flight home if anyone wants to contact me personally feel free to leave your phone numbers (PM) names and good time to call (time zone you are in of course) and i will be able to contact you starting Tuesday (after i get some rest from the flight).
One last thing before i go – Happy New Year and happy holidays everyone!
All the best,
Eilon
CPays Manager
manager (at) cpays.com
http://www.cpays.com“CPays has never dealt with spamming”
I’ll give you the benefit the doubt and assume that was a joke.
Hi all and happy holidays.
Cpays is right. do your own homework. and after all that if you still feel confident in basing your future on this company … then you’ve dealt your own hand and deserve as such.
nuff said.
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Hey Cpays,
1. Geez, that’s pretty interesting since your former employee showed us exactly how your team goes about it. Are you going to deny the team of Russians you have upstairs by the server room? So what do they do? Cmon, this is ridiculous, everybody in this forum knows that cpays goes out of it’s way to compete with affiliates.
2. So let me ask you, have you ever changed the payment terms of any of the accounts (e.g. from CPA to revshare) without the affiliate’s approval? We know of accounts that were suddenly either denied payment, the deal changed (ie. lowered or from cpay to revshare) or whatever because cpays claims that “bonus abusers come through the site”. This retroactiving changing of terms based is commong practice in cpays.
3. 32Vegas and 32Red: Well enuff said by me, let’s get another person in othe action: http://casinomeister.com/rogue/32Vegas.php
4. Geez, I guess you didn’t know. You must be new at the company.
5. So are you going to deny the fact that let’s say a high value player comes into one of your brands and the affiliate is on a life-time rev share plan, you will (a) do your best including calling the customer, offering crazy bonuses to switch them to another casino that cpays operates. By doing this, you don’t need to pay out the life-time rev share for that high-value player to the affiliate. This explains why rev-share deals simply don’t do well with cpays compared to other programs.
6. You should let your affiliates know that they are getting zero and even let them know you are reselling your traffic to other casinos, even ones that the affiliate does not want to promote. Say an affiliate who is ethical sends you traffic and you resell this traffic to an unethical operator without the affiliates knowledge. Do you think the affiliate appreciates that?
7. My mistake, I found out it was Eyal not Yael. Are you denying his existence?
My apologies for grouping all Israeli companies together. My point is that a lot of the staff circulate among the companies due to proximity. Obviously some programs are better than others. Cpays is definitely not in the “better” category.
Thread of the year!
And a Happy New Year to Cpays! :santa2:
