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Thanks mate.
I mean really our goals are to bring good quality players to the table. After 6 months to a year this could be done well enough because we have developed a database, and a forum of users. We generally know who are quality players are. We can promote these.
As a new affiliate we have limited information as to our player value. Thus to be on a CPA can be good for us. We can gain good revenue from the start. But if th player value is low, then issues can arise. May affiliates who have taken CPA for various sites have brought in numerous players to find out they have to wait for payment due to low rake!! Poker yes! When player value is low, some affiliate sites hold payments.
So i think this is good question to get clarity on with your AM period. It happened to me one time, so if i can help other affiliates then I am happy i have.
MInd you if our players are whales, and rake huge amounts we lose out on lifetime revenues..so really to be honest CPA alone may not be the best.
Personally Hybrides are where its at. Its where a relationship can be built. A negotiation. An agreement could be worked out. Yu can revenue in CPA, plus have rev share.. i think its a win win..
Steve
adam.downing;193797 wrote:Just to clarify, you mention a lot about ‘rake’ in particular – are you discussing specifically poker?I agree with the case of having something documented as proof. This is essential – I’d advise that you have an email that can be verified by another CAP member or notarized – I believe that a public notary can verify and validate emails in this day and age if the email is hosted on a public service perhaps?
Steve has some good points. Again, read my post for other issues surrounding CPA, Revenue Share and Hybrid (combined CPA and Hybrid) deals.
Applause to Steve for bringing a good and beneficial discussion to CAP.
Hi,
Talk to your Account Manager if you have any questions about CPA vs. Revshare. Without knowing the information about your site, how you promote, and what your goals are, its tough to make a clear cut case for Rev Share or CPA. Your AM should be equipt to make that call and help you along the way.
Remember-commission deals are not set in stone! If you try out Revshare or CPA for a few months and don’t like what your getting, request a change in commission. 3 months is the standard for evaluating the effectiveness of your commission deal. I can’t stress enough how important it is to work with your AM. They’re there to make sure that you make money and are satisfied with your affiliate experience.
Tanya
Account Manager
Everest Affiliates
http://www.everestaffiliates.com@Professor 192773 wrote:
Rev share always rules with one exception and that is Poker Rooms which offer Rakeback. CPA is preferable in that case only.
The poker room CPA is a great point. The Poker players that make you money will eventually get poached by a rakeback poker room or a rakeback affiliate, so CPA would actually be a good. If there is casino linked to the poker room, I would still take Rev Share thou.
I would be bankrupt if I chose CPA for my casino players, I am 100% sure of that!
@Talk Casinos 192770 wrote:
All you need is one whale and this question is mute :hattip:
Brad
Yes, and you NEVER know when a whale is going to stumble upon your site. It could be the first day your site is open or 1 year later.
Hi everyone, Hope you’re well.
If I’m not mistaken I believe im the first operator to address this thread and so thought I may be able to shed some light on this issue.
I feel those affiliates that are conifident in their traffic often if not always opt for rev share. As an affiliate manager I am often cautious when taking on a CPA deal as in my experience they very rarely pay off in the long run.
All being well, it only takes one large whale and a few high rollers for the both the aff and operator to benefit (affiliate even more so). Rev share also enables both parties to develop a long and profitable relationship where risk is distributed evenly as no one party yields all the power.
I completely realise that in a rev share deal the operator must perform outstandingly well in order to maximize the revenue generated from individual players. The operator must understand how to process, retain and most importantly look after each and every player that comes through. Whether they are winners or losers the casino must know how to prolonge the life span of the player as well providing prompt and accurate payments to both player and affiliate in order for the relationship to be flourish.
Sam
I’m kinda certain that at least 3 other operators have posted before your last post but I don’t understand why you need to brag about that.
Here is the bottom line that affiliates should be conscious of. The trade offs of CPA versus rev share. It’s obvious that rev share will get you the max money in the long run where CPA gives you a short boost of that player which takes a few months for the operator to recover their expenses before they see profits.
The real issue is trust. Do you trust your operators not to pull a Grand Prive? Stunts like this harm affiliates in more than one way and might force some of them to consider more CPA deals. With CPA you don’t have to worry about Grand Prive stunts or worry about shaving. If you suspect your program is shaving then it’s easy to get a friend to setup another player account to do some testing. Also do you trust that the program you promote has a good VIP and retention program? The better programs will keep players longer and those are the programs you want for rev share.
If I did CPA I would make a fraction of what I make on rev share.
Places like Grand Prive are the bane of my existance, and I sure hope Grand Prive doesn’t get away with it and goes broke.
But you can’t go around in life thinking everyone is a thief.
In casinos, nothing could persuade me to take CPA. In Bingo, when it first started out I took a CPA/rev share mix to offset the original costs I incurred setting it up for promotion.
In poker, rev share has proven to be a loser for me. I can attract poker players, educate them, and when they become better players they get scooped up by rakeback guys and I sit there like an idiot. So, in that case I think CPA is the lesser evil, unless you want to do rakeback.
Thanks for all the good tips about rev share, when I registered with the deals I picked the rev share on all off them and I think that will be the best way to go.
My new problem is that I have about 10 deals with different betting companies witch just gives me a few registrations the last 6 months on each deal, and the customers usually just play for a short while a few weeks and then they stop playing when they run out of(?) money, is there anything I could/should do to target another kind of players?
I only promote European sportbooks. I guess its easyer to get casino players to play for a longer time?
/Viktor
for someone new in the poker affiliate business is 150$ CPA a good deal to start? (no requirements)
looking at all your posts, i am thinking. start with CPA to build a “bankroll” and invest in SEO, then moving to rev share.
@helpmepokerdragon 208352 wrote:
for someone new in the poker affiliate business is 150$ CPA a good deal to start? (no requirements)
looking at all your posts, i am thinking. start with CPA to build a “bankroll” and invest in SEO, then moving to rev share.
150$ is a good amount by my knowledge… For this kind of CPA I have a requirement of 50 players per month. Where did you get such good CPA? You can PM, thnx. I will user you subaffiliate link, ofcourse.
This is an amazing deal for Poker players………..$150 CPA & no requirments. I would also like you to send me a PM so I can check the site out. There must be a catch (always is….) and what is the minimum deposit per player?
I thought my deal to bring Forex traders was an awsome start for new affiliates.
Have a great weekend to all and stay sharp all the time…………
Keith
Dear CashFlow,There is no evidence that Poker players switch around more than Casino players.
Playing Poker is a way of life and for Casino players for me is that they are always looking for that Jackpot.Today I see a new interest for Poker players to be very successful in the world of Forex because it has the same strategies involved.
Aaron Brown:
He is the author of The Poker Face of Wall Street, a book that is part autobiography, part critique of contemporary finance, and part exploration into the world of professional poker, where many of Aaron Brown’s ideas about life, creativity, risk and ambition seem to merge. In a brief explanation of what led him to write the book, Brown reflects: “I wanted (the reader) to take my ideas as an integrated whole, not a series of contentions to be evaluated one at a time. I don’t expect anyone to accept everything in the book, but I hope everyone who reads it looks at finance, risk and poker a little differently afterwards.”Keith
Have a great weekend
