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Ill volunteer to do some testing if you like as an independent non-biased researcher …
Originally posted by arkyt
Ill volunteer to do some testing if you like as an independent non-biased researcher … Sure .. hit me up on PM or email me:
You better test a larger sample of visitors than Dean, because his experience can tip to the opposite tomorrow.
The samples are way too small.
I have just transferred all bingo to a new single tracker and expanded from one bingo page to a bingo site and dedicated bingo pages on 4 high traffic sites and will have a larger stats sample soon.
Dave is correct. What works for one webmaster does not necessarily work for another, and the same is true of casinos.
I have always maintained this mystery is the Holy Grail of our line of business…
So my current picks for accuracy in tracking are:
Bingo Reward
Bingo HallBingo Knights and Big Bonus Bingo (affiliates4bingo) show promise on the tracking side but it is very early in the piece.
Dave good to see some improvements on the horizon. I think the affiliate area is the let down of many operations that are prepared to spend a ton of cash on advertising and neglect to realise the army of affiliates that will generate huge traffic and players for no capital outlay on the part of the operation.
The affiliate program should be a priority of any operation IMHO and minimal capital outlay for maximum capital return is sorta my motto.
OK I will get off my milk crate now.
Originally posted by deaning
Dave good to see some improvements on the horizon. I think the affiliate area is the let down of many operations that are prepared to spend a ton of cash on advertising and neglect to realise the army of affiliates that will generate huge traffic and players for no capital outlay on the part of the operation.The affiliate program should be a priority of any operation IMHO and minimal capital outlay for maximum capital return is sorta my motto.
OK I will get off my milk crate now.
As the Affiliate Manager, I obviously agree with that statement. Unfortunately, both of the sites I represet were initially built on direct advertising. Now I am playing “catch up” with the affiliate programs.
However, in a way, it’s a testiment to the quality of a casino (or bingo) site if it can survive solely on its own marketing efforts. In the past, I have seen some webmasters post on CAP that some online casinos would have crashed and burned long ago if they did not have an army of webmasters sending them “free traffic”
and had to go out and market the sites themselves.Winward Casino has been online since 1998 and Bingo Hall has been online since 2001. Both have been very succesful. But I am the first to admit that they missed the boat on their affiliate programs. My job is to fix that. I hope you all will be patient with me as I am working hard to make up for lost time.
Thanks,
Dave
Originally posted by Dominique
You better test a larger sample of visitors than Dean, because his experience can tip to the opposite tomorrow.The samples are way too small.
I wouldnt be testing anything but hits – EG if my stats showed 185 hits sent then their stats should show 185 hits sent … it wouldnt matter if it was 1 hit or 10000 hits – a hit sent should be recorded as a hit received visa versa …
Sure there may be inconsistencies and/or acceptable deviations but I ASSURE you IMHO the 20% another program stated is unacceptable for loss of tracking.
Heck if your losing 20% of tracking and by chance that’s the 20% of the traffic that’s converting your making nothing! That high percentage to me is an excuse for shaving!
So my proposal would be simple – send X number of hits from various sources and compare the numbers to establish whos accurate with regards to hits and who is not.
Oh, ok, testing hits makes sense.
I thought you might delve into conversions etc.
There’s one legitimate reason that even hit tracking can be problematic. That’s filtering of Search Engine spiders and other non-human clicks. I know that in my stats scripts, I filter these out when possible. I don’t know if most affiliate programs do the same or not, but this could obviously cause a noticeable discrepancy.
The most accurate way to track clicks is to simply look at your click count in your webmaster affiliate account and then have some friends click on your affiliate link, preferably from different IP addresses, and re-check your stats to make sure all of the clicks are counted.
For example, if you have 10 friends each click once on your link, you should see 10 additional clicks counted on your account when you refresh your stats.
Using a banner serving program’s stats to count clicks is not as accurate because of variances in the ways that “clicks” are counted. I have personally tested our stats using my own affiliate links, and every time I click on my links the click is counted — even if I click several times in a row from one computer. We count “raw” clicks, not “unique” clicks from different IP addresses. But not all affiliate programs work that way. Some will only count one click per IP address during a certain time period.
So if you are concerned that any affiliate program is not accurately tracking your web traffic, use the “friends” counting method for the most accurate test.
Search Engine spiders and other non-human clicks
Non human clicks! An untapped extraterrestial market? I’m off to buy aliengambling.com.
Yep, spiders can throw off your tracking and should be filtered and also use a tracking program that if possible can give referring pages.
Having a few friends test a link is also a very good idea.
My concern and hence this thread was the wildly innaccurate results of bingo programs in relation to casinos and poker in my experience.
ie. The bulk of casinos and poker rooms track pretty closely to my own results and this is something I cast my eyes over at various intervals and that data (casinos and poker rooms) is pretty extensive across a fair few sites.
As I said a few days ago I decited to throw away BingoHall and replaced it with GeishaBingo.
Ok, so I send approx. 700hits to BingoHall had 33downloads and nada! This took me about 2 months.
Now as I have had Geisha Bingo online for about a week or so I have had 70 hits 2 downloads and guess what – A depositing player so I have already made money with it in a week! I just hope I would have switched sooner when Dominique first suggested it, but I was convinced otherwise – Not anymore
I think this tells a lot about the programs and leaves no room for explenations.
I think this tells a lot about the programs and leaves no room for explanations.
Well, it certainly tells a lot about where your traffic would prefer to play but it doesn’t really say much about the programs as a whole. My experience has been the complete reverse, although admittedly I haven’t sent much traffic to Geisha Bingo/Bingo Liner.
I’m not going to post stats on this site, but if you wish to PM me, I’ll send you a screenshot or something of my BingoHall stats. Believe me…they do convert
Originally posted by tryme1
Well, it certainly tells a lot about where your traffic would prefer to play but it doesn’t really say much about the programs as a whole. My experience has been the complete reverse, although admittedly I haven’t sent much traffic to Geisha Bingo/Bingo Liner.I’m not going to post stats on this site, but if you wish to PM me, I’ll send you a screenshot or something of my BingoHall stats. Believe me…they do convert
Well I must admit that this is a “short” take when considering the whole, but it seems funny to me when people say it takes time to convert and that my traffic is probably “bad” as it includes the word free in it (makes sense to me), but then again a new program converts in a week when another program has been online for over two months and generated 33 registerations(not downloads as I previously miss stated). This naturally is probably not enough to judge any program – good or bad, but I will keep my eye on the traffic and conversions and post the results for comparison after two months has gone. If I dont remember to do this maybe someone can remind me if intrested
