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I am tired of playing with you Nicolas. You are NOT responding to the outrageous Manager Credits, Coupons and Bonuses that I displayed over the last three months. I am NOT going to post additional data as it doesnt change whats occured over the last three months and that is what you are ducking.
The info the affiliate sent me above clearly defines what IS happening here and I believe you know it. If you didnt then, we have pointed you in the right direction to research the issue. The truth is there if you wish to find it.
Remember this. Gambling Wages is basically a revolving door for affiliate managers and you WONT be there forever. If you display integrity now we will all remember that when you are at your next company. Do the right thing, people are watching.
heres my take for what its worth.
you were up in months before the last 3 with the manager credit amounts high then to. now the players are winning and your not making money so the casinos cheating you….lol. i saw you do the same thing to casino rewards last month when you didn’t do any good with them.
loosing more creditbilty by the minute.
Hi Professor,
I didn’t answer that issue? What about my posts;
http://www.casinoaffiliateprograms.com/bb/showpost.php?p=132734&postcount=19
http://www.casinoaffiliateprograms.com/bb/showpost.php?p=132705&postcount=8
http://www.casinoaffiliateprograms.com/bb/showpost.php?p=132736&postcount=21
http://www.casinoaffiliateprograms.com/bb/showpost.php?p=132566&postcount=11
http://www.casinoaffiliateprograms.com/bb/showpost.php?p=132573&postcount=13
http://www.casinoaffiliateprograms.com/bb/showpost.php?p=132584&postcount=22Listen I value my reputation, I will admit to being wrong, but I need evidence.
Now I claim your players received THE SAME credits during January, February, March and April and that the only difference between those months and May, June July is that your players are winning now.
You say this is not true. You claim that in any case where a players receive more promo credits then they deposit, you can’t make money. I will be more then glad to see the truth and apologize for my misunderstanding. But I need to see those old stats to be able to do that; and see the WHOLE picture as pdjoe requested.
Kind Regards,
Nicolas Johnson
GamblingWages Affiliate ManagerQuite frankly seeing old stats of anyones aren’t going to make a difference to myself. Over all picture is important, but regardless….what is the reson for such high bonus amounts on the deposits made, given any 1 month that was posted?
I have my own stats to view, to me is obvious you pick and chose who is going to earn just as you do who is going to be paid on time. I understand taking care of the affiliate that brings more new players etc, but the sad part to me is that some one in the management does not realize how much traffic you may have if things were fair for all every month. It’s these antics that keep me from giving more or better banner space each month, and I know I am not alone.
Cagney12,
Read my posts I explained several times why those credits were given; THEY COME FROM the bonuses that are openly advertised on the site. And the past stats matter, because if the professor is right then those months should not have high credits.
I am not saying any faul play is going on; just a misunderstanding.
Kind Regards,
Nicolas Johnson
GamblingWages Affiliate ManagerThanks PDJoe I appreciate your support.
If players win that effects NET WIN. View the stats. The NET WIN every month was positive. The ONLY reason I wasnt paid was an enormous amount of Manager Credits and Bonuses were loaded in to cancel out the positive net win.
Even though you have some sort of personal issue with me take an objective look at the numbers.
Here they are again:
Quote:May Stats:Net Win: $7,506.60
Coupon Amounts Awarded: $3,521.75
Manager Credit Amounts Awarded: $4,732.00
ChargeBacks: $0.00
Net Profit: (Net Win – Coupons – Credits – Chargebacks) ($747.46)June Stats:
Net Win: $3,433.69
Coupon Amounts Awarded: $1,191.85
Manager Credit Amounts Awarded: $3,379.00 ChargeBacks: $0.00
Net Profit: (Net Win – Coupons – Credits – Chargebacks) ($1,150.68)July Stats:
Net Win: $2,105.88
Coupon Amounts Awarded: $325.00
Manager Credit Amounts Awarded: $2,055.87 ChargeBacks: $0.00
Net Profit: (Net Win – Coupons – Credits – Chargebacks) ($275.01)PD,
I have had many experiences with RTG over the years. This was always my biggest aff issue with them.
its obviously a sore spot with us …… even if the situation is up and up …. don’t you think that by now …. they’d have changed the way they do things so we don’t have these issues constently coming up?
I won’t hardly touch RTG because frankly i send $5k worth of deposits into a casino ….. i expect to see 25% back.
yes there are winners that do cash out on rare times …… but I know from experience that more times …. many more … than not ….. those that win turn around and give it back.
So I let the month where i didn’t make money ride. But when the next month rolls around … I expect 25% (on average) …. of whatever was deposited the previous month and what was done that current month.
Now when you see this stuff happen over and over … raises a big flag with me ….. I assure you I seldom ever see this sort of thing with Micro
I’ve seen players win $40k and turn around and give it back the next month ….. making me a nice month.
but the opposite …… almost never … in fact … I can’t ever remember it happening at a Micro.
What should be done to solve this whole mess …. and i said this …. years ago …… is affs should have the option to NOT have their players subjected to these bonuses/credits handed out by RTG.
That way we have a choice. Do we want to follow the RTG path….. or simply have our players just playing straight up ….. no bonus shit?
I think that’s not only fair. But very wise because it would surely have kept a lot of RTGs listed on my sites that came down fast for reasons mentioned.
Hi Professor,
I gave an answer to the issues you brought to my attention. If there is something missing in my answer then please let me know so I can expand. But why won’t you answer my question?
Once you see your old stats, you will see THE SAME amount of credits awarded and yet you made money? So what is different? Why won’t you post those old stats instead of posting over and over againg your May ones?
Kind Regards,
Nicolas Johnson
GamblingWages Affiliate Manageri have no personal issues with you prof or anyone here.
yes your stats suck for those months.
were the bonus amounts the same for the previous months when you made money? its a simple question so we can compare the differeces between now and then.
plain and simple, thats it.
Hi Guys,
BTW, as I said, I don’t mean to offend, nor accuse anyone of anything, just solve this issue. So let’s boil it down.
The acusation has been made that when more manager credits are applied then deposits made, it is imposible to make money, right? That is the acusation.
So my responce is that in the Professors stats for January, February, March and April, THE SAME amount of credits were applied, yet he made money. If the stats are posted, my point will be made.
Kind Regards,
Nicolas Johnson
GamblingWages Affiliate ManagerOne more thing ….. don’t get me started on the rediculous T&Cs of being able to ever cash out a win IF you are dumb enough to accept these bonus offers.
Not saying thats true with GW. never bothered to look. but i’d bet blindly right now . ….. the playthru requirements etc ….. are very one sided and very unlikely for a winning player to beat the odds of requirements to cash out …before they’ve ended up giving most all back.
Now all that said …. trying to keep things civil.
Seems to me …. that Nic has honorable intentions ….. i just think a bit naieve about how some of this works out.
Most aff managers would have run out of here by now crying for momma. so i give benefit of doubt he may beleive in what he’s saying ….. but …. before you jump too far … do a little homework on a few affs stats. See if something may be a pattern that isn’t good.
I know you been around a while. but so have we. And I know at times ….. i’m too quick to back what I think is right … based on another’s statements …… rather than finding out on my own.
CAP folks always have forgiven me and forgot. I am sure the same would be true with you. Just asking ….. exactly how sure are you about your position?
Hi Bb1webs,
The harsh terms and conditions are necessary when a player takes a 500% bonus. But the rules are clearly posted both on the site and on the mailers they send, if you want I can give you samples of this. We target players who care more about a big bonus then nice rules, if you have that type of player, then we will do well for you, if you don’t you should probably look elsewhere, nothing personal, just different audience targets.
About the stats, I see literally hundreds, thousands of affiliate stats a month, I spend 12 hours a day here and I am pretty confident I know the overall picture. But you don’t. So instead of looking at me for answers I already gave, why don’t you consider those old stats.
As I said before; the accusation has been made that when more manager credits are applied then deposits made, it is impossible to make money, right? That is the accusation.
So my response is that in the Professor’s stats for January, February, March and April, THE SAME amounts of credits were applied, yet he made money. If the theory being posted is correct, no money could have been made during these months. If the stats are posted, my point will be made.
Kind Regards,
Nicolas Johnson
GamblingWages Affiliate ManagerThere is more then an accusation there are stats which show this to be true.
I posted those and rather then respond to those you request more data.
Please note the example given by TurtleD here:
http://www.casinoaffiliateprograms.com/bb/showthread.php?t=21710&page=3This affiliate suffered 12 months of these Manager Credit Shenanigans cancelling out their earnings.
Please see what another affiliate relayed here:
http://www.casinoaffiliateprograms.com/bb/showthread.php?t=21711&page=3I would NOT have brought any of this up if I didnt honestly believe there was a serious problem going on. I have been a full time affiliate since 1999 and I know what I am seeing. I know what I see at other RTG operators I work with.
Hi Profesor,
I did address this issue. I told you to please look at the promos of the casinos YOU promote;
http://www.cirruscasino.com/promotions_todays.php
If you would only look at that, you will see why so many credits were given, in fact, the 200-300% of credits given to your players is below what some of the bonuses offer (up to 500%). Manager credits come from THESE promos, so that address your issue.http://www.casinoaffiliateprograms.com/bb/showpost.php?p=132734&postcount=19
Now that this issue is settled, let’s go on to the larger one;
As I said before; the accusation has been made that when more manager credits are applied then deposits made, it is impossible to make money, right? That is the accusation.
So my response is that in the Professor’s stats for January, February, March and April, THE SAME amounts of credits were applied, yet he made money. If the theory being posted is correct, no money could have been made during these months. If the stats are posted, my point will be made.
These past stats are 100% relevant and you can prove me wrong or right easily, so please post them. No intention on being mean or disrespectful, but this is important.
Kind Regards,
Nicolas Johnson
GamblingWages Affiliate ManagerI don’t understand why anyone promotes this group anyway… Their Terms and Conditions are clearly predatory
