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BB1 you probably wont get an answer for awhile as John is away on Vacation. When he gets back we will ask him to find out whats going on.
Thanks Prof.
you know its one thing to cross market and leave out my aff id; that’s bad. But to sell/give away/trade the email addresses of the players I send them so that my competition can send the players emails to join a CC casino…. well that’s not only extremely unethical business,….. but it’s silly.
Which is the only reason I am thinking that these emails might have been stolen by an employee and then sold; or something like that.
In any case it was not a pleasant surprise to find this email. And this is far from the first time I’ve had something like this happen. But that does not make it okay.
sheeesh! if these programs want some loyalty from us; so that when hard times hit; we won’t just pull the plug and move on without giving them a last shot …. then the very least they can do is to not sell us out like this …. to another portal no less!
Casino Rewards is one of the few that I have never had an incident like this happen. Kudos to Brent and CR on that note; and I’ve been with them long enough that I’d probably have caught them by now if they were being lax with the security of player info or if they were selling the addresses out right.
Let me get this straight:
You signed up at All Poker as player.
When you did you gave them the above address, which is very unique.
That address has never been used for anything but All Poker player business.
Now you have received spam from another affiliate at that address.
:rolleyes:
Hi,
that is correct Dom. And I’ve bitched about this before as it is nearly SOP for RTG casinos. Brightshare is also extremely guilty of this.
stop and think about it. You don’t send your players an email ad every other day; yet your competition does; its just a matter of time before you are cheated out of a signup that had that email address not been sold/traded etc; the player (whom you had first) would likely have gotten around to visiting your site and seeing the new casino for the first time there.
what’s worse; is that now days (I’m pretty sure) they can fix it so the email looks like it came from your site.
Something that for unethical competitors who live in a “spam-punishment-free” country: we can do little about to stop it; making it all that more important that the email addresses aquired thru means of players we send; be kept private and never sold/traded.
I’ve been complaining about this for two years, and will continue as long as it happens; because in my opinion, this steals many more (loyal) surfers / signups from us than does scumware, but there have never been any studies on such so we can’t know for sure.
but the scumware; many people I’ve talked with; say they won’t click on the ads because they ‘re pissed the things were snuck onto their PC and most average users; don’t know how to get rid of it; but they do know how to ignore them.
In the case of these spam emails; although spam, they aren’t as directly annoying as pop ups. so it stands to reason less people will boycott due to that.
And…. now with the pop up blockers; I’d imagine more targeted surfers are actually reached by email spam, than by scumware.
IMO this is as huge a “screw-us for a few bucks” as it gets.
I agree with you that this is very upsetting, and I remember your previous complaints elsewhere well, also.
Re, the scumware: People do not usually click on the little popups that pop on top of your site, that is why gator, now called Claria, was so agreeable about removing those from the top of affiliate sites. But people do click on the full page casino ads that pop on top of the casino your visitor chose from your site, often not even realizing it isn’t what they picked.
So we have the sale of email adresses belonging to our players, scumware, competition with the very casinos we work for in the payperclicks, and players being removed from our “lifetime” pool and being sent mail to to return to the casinos, without our or any affiliate tag, and casinos operating portals.
It’s enough to make me cry and almost enough to make me look for another business.
lol – captured – good stuff bbs.
Will come back to have a laugh at the explanation which is gonna sound so plausable..
A bit like when I catch my 3 year old with biscuit crumbs all over him and a little trail leading from his room to the kitchen…
The bickbicks are all gone daddy he asks, did you eat my bickbicks lol..
I say “you went and took them without asking you bad boy” – he usually replies “no daddy, the kitchen is dangerwiss”
Atleast he has it half right…
We need to get these guys audited regularly by an outside firm to check the stats, the emails and ips of the players — trace everything from the first download each player makes. Check and cross check to make sure no monkey business is going on.
These casino affiliates should be certified. If they don’t want to be, let the one-page pop-up b.s. casino portals gather players for them. We can stick to the honest ones. (If there are any)
Hi,
well we are all effected by greedy unethical practices. It really comes down to what category of GUP (shall we call it) is effecting us most at the moment but we’re all victims to all GUP to some degree. nearly all the time.
The way things are; we can’t seem to control the fact that the casinos are using scumware; the fact is: is that they have to compete just as we do; in order to survive.
So though I don’t like it; I accept the fact that scumware is going to be a part of net-life for at least a while longer.
And I even accept the fact that the casinos are probably shaving our income. Any casino/aff program that tells you they don’t have the ability to change what you see in your stats – are big FAT liars!
But what I have trouble accepting is the fact that they sell me out for literally pennies on the dollar in the case of this matter; because you know damn well they didn’t come close to even paying $5 an address for these:
and yet it costs me about $150 to $250 to get a depositing player; all things figured in.
that means these email addresses of proven depositing players; such as I am when using these exclusive email addresses: are worth to me; a lot of money.
Is it asking too damn much of my “partners” to expect them to observe the very privacy terms they themselves have produced and in so doing, made promise?
this makes me sick! And it certainly tells me that if a program is willing to do this to me for the mere pocket change they get for selling these addresses (in respect to what it costs us); that they’d have little trouble screwing us over on our earned income.
This is and has always been something that our “partners” can easily control.
It not only protects us, but it also shows integrity to the players because their privacy wasn’t sold-out just because they hadn’t been back to play in a while; or whatever.
aff managers / casino owners ……. get it together and start acting like professionals in a billion dollar industry instead of a bunch of high school bullies (who actually think they are getting away with this crap) worried about stealing the little kids lunch money.
geeesh!
Has it occurred to you that these “affiliates” who “buy” the addresses of your players could be program employees moonlighting as affiliates?
More aff managers than not moonlight as affiliates.
But to sell/give away/trade the email addresses of the players I send them so that my competition can send the players emails to join a CC casino…. well that’s not only extremely unethical business,….. but it’s silly.
Which is the only reason I am thinking that these emails might have been stolen by an employee and then sold; or something like that.
so I didn’t necessarily consider it as the manager’s moonlighting; but I certainly thought the addresses might have been stolen by an employee and then sold; but in any possible case; there is little excuse for this happening; especially when it’s a constant. (and believe me, it is. I get so many with RTG casino names that I delete them regularly and have long ago given up on that end of this fight- with the exception of Jeff’s program; I’m pretty sure I’ve received this sort of thing from nearly every other RTG casino that i ever signed up using this unique method of addresses)
furthermore; I can if so desired; post these as they come in. I currently have been spammed by nearly every single brightshare casino address I ever created; here’s one of many:
From : [email protected]
Sent : Wednesday, February 18, 2004 10:09 AM
To : “kingneptune”
Subject : kingneptune, Sky High 400% Bonus can be yours now at Luck N’ Roll!!!Delivered by GoodGamblers.com [email protected]
To opt-out Mail address: GoodGamblers.com, 26004 Germain Boulevard, Suite 201, St. John, NB E2L 2E5, Canada.this email also did not have my aff id in it
From : Scott Miller
Sent : Wednesday, February 18, 2004 11:45 AM
To : [email protected]
Subject : Club Player’s Double Bonus Weekthat’s just the tip of the iceberg. Nobody realizes because nobody else has been doing this (to my knowledge) but if you were getting multiple spam emails to addresses that should be your players… you’d be much more concerned.
*not that I’m saying you’re not concerned. Just that this is really bigger than I think most people have any idea about.
Quote:spammed by nearly every single brightshare casino addressTheir entire list was stolen by the former employee who is now running Slots Alley.
Hi Spear,
I figured that at least some of these were do to stolen lists, and not the casinos themselves.
here’s another rtg
From : Blast21
Sent : Sunday, February 15, 2004 12:39 PM
To : [email protected]
Subject : Double Bonus Slotsthis one came from bet4charity
From : Es <[email protected]>
Sent : Saturday, February 21, 2004 4:23 AM
To : [email protected]
Subject : RE: Where can I find two hundred fifty USD? fourteens dislike
