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I will promote casinos with negative carry over until I have a negative. Then I usually drop them. No point throwing money into a gaping hole.
Thanks for setting up.
Do you have already voted?
I think negative carry over is a way to rip you off the month you actually do make money 😮
That’s a good poll.
But I think the major question here is this:
Is no-negative carry over equals – we’ll shave you instead…
16 votes already and everybody prefers no negative carry over in some way.
Dominique & Professor.
But if you have let’s say 100 sites and you drop the casinos with the negative carry over on 100 sites.You’d need to install plenty of new marketing material.
Would you say, that’s worth the time?Or do you have the “negative carry over banners” on some sites and have others installed in a few minutes.
I have a negative balance of 18k with a casino I used to promote heavily. That means to earn $5 with them I’d have to earn $18 005. I’m of course removing all the links from my sites.
Not having negatives carried over is a good thing from the affiliates point of view, but i can understand why some casinos are hesitant to embrace the idea.
Antoine
I have well over 200 sites Cat, and yes, if a casino accumulates a large negative balance that they carry over I will go to all of those sites and remove them. This is a business and what I have to offer is real estate, if I am not being paid I have no choice but to remove the non producing casino and fill that real estate with casinos that do make me money.
Needless to say after being forced to do all that work I will be very reluctant to ever put them back up on all those sites. So in my case a casino would lose a major affiliate over what could be a nominal fee over the long term.
Negative carryovers are penny wise and pound foolish for casinos.
also when you drop a program because of huge negative carry-
overs and stop sending them traffic normally you can kiss off your
player base which is another reason some programs don’t
mind loosing even Big affiliates over … this is a great tool
for them.
:rolleyes:
That happened to me Aleph. I had to drop a casino I always earned over $10,000 a month with because they carry forward negative balances and I supposedly had two whales who racked up over $1 million dollars in negative balances.
Did the whales exist or did they decide it was cheaper to manufacture these rogues and lose any future business I would be bringing them?
I was never sure.
Negative carry forwards could be abused by the casino if they so wished to seize a large exisiting player base.
Yeah Professor it happened to alot of us … you gotta wonder in a
business where the house always wins … it seems we affiliates
loose more often than statistically possible.
:rolleyes:
clicking my heals together – theres no place like home – theres no place like home – theres no place like home …
damn – Im still here! Wake me when this horrible dream is over.
YES – carry-overs are bad!
Well, suppose a player wins $10,000 on the last day of them month, putting you at a negative balance. It gets wiped clean, and then on the 1st of the next month, he loses it all. According to the casinos i have asked about this scenario, they say that you will be paid your share in the second month regardless.
I stress the “THEY SAY” part.
In this example, I cant see a casino being ok with this for very long.
Originally posted by Mr. casino
Well, suppose a player wins $10,000 on the last day of them month, putting you at a negative balance. It gets wiped clean, and then on the 1st of the next month, he loses it all. According to the casinos i have asked about this scenario, they say that you will be paid your share in the second month regardless.I stress the “THEY SAY” part.
In this example, I cant see a casino being ok with this for very long.
Example: 45% plan
You have a big winner that hits a jackpot of 10,000 – which puts you in the red. If that negative were carried over and the player lost 5000 the following month you would still be 5000 in the hole.
If the negative was not carried over you would make $2250 if the player lost back half the next month.
This is why some programs utilize negative carry overs. They dont want to payout 10,000 – then turn around and pay you 2250 the following month when the player loses 5000. The casino would then be losing as they see it – a total of 7250 (5000 to the player and 2250 to the affiliate.)
When you think about the scale of things – paying the affiliate a percentage is the best choice! Considering that scale – I would surmise that programs using carry overs are not that big, are having financial problems, or are just freaking greedy!
:cheers: :sheers: :cheers:
Drink up boyxz
Hmmm you lost me… how can they pay out $10,000 and also have the player lose back $5,000 of it?
Here is how i see it:
On the 31st, Player A deposits $100, and wins $10k
Affiliate B has negative balance, which gets cleared out.
On the 1st of the following month, Player A loses the $10k he had been up. Affiliates gets say 45% of gross revenue, so he gets $4500 in earnings.In the end, the casino makes only $100 from Player A, and pays Affiliate B $4500, so they are out $4400.
Dont get me wrong, I prefer no negatives….but I can sort of see why they wouldnt want to pay, in THIS scenario.
Am I alone here?Originally posted by arkyt
Example: 45% planYou have a big winner that hits a jackpot of 10,000 – which puts you in the red. If that negative were carried over and the player lost 5000 the following month you would still be 5000 in the hole.
If the negative was not carried over you would make $2250 if the player lost back half the next month.
This is why some programs utilize negative carry overs. They dont want to payout 10,000 – then turn around and pay you 2250 the following month when the player loses 5000. The casino would then be losing as they see it – a total of 7250 (5000 to the player and 2250 to the affiliate.)
When you think about the scale of things – paying the affiliate a percentage is the best choice! Considering that scale – I would surmise that programs using carry overs are not that big, are having financial problems, or are just freaking greedy!
:cheers: :sheers: :cheers:
Drink up boyxz
