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  • #807422
    Anonymous
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    I guess most of what we do, can fall into one of those buckets. Probably within each, there are many classifications, but probably too many to list here. I assume that # 3 is a typo and should be “sports betting”, or do I have that wrong ?

    #807423
    Sonja C.
    Member

    yep, typo,
    thanks, I fixed it

    #807425
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    OK, thanks. Just wanted to make sure that you weren’t referring to Foreign Exchange (FX), and “spots” trading.

    #807426
    Sonja C.
    Member

    I added it as category 5 :)

    #807463
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Some people consider FX a new form of gaming, but as a former day-trader and current investor, I personally have a problem lumping this in as a gaming category. HOWEVER, for those who live in a jurisdiction which prohibits online gaming, FX (or any other investment market – stocks, bonds, options, commodities, etc.) can all be “traded” legally. Given the randomness of markets’ direction, particularly in the short-term, an online trader can certainly consider any of the aforementioned markets as one of chance, and thus, a form of gaming or entertainment, especially since money is involved. So, to add this to the list, is certainly interesting, to say the least.

    #807520
    Sonja C.
    Member

    yep, forex (eToro) seem to me a bit different than the other gaming products, because it’s not really based on random numbers, currency-rate changes are not like throwing a dice (although they are both impossible to predict for the short run)
    I like the eToro product, it’s a nice idea, I tried to affiliate it but it failed (and the blame is on me since I did it in a wrong way)

    #807528
    casinolink
    Member

    if you call forex gambling, then you need to include stock trading as gambling which is going too far IMO

    #807529
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Forex is not a “gambling product” and frankly the e-Toro attempts to promote along the same lines are a bit of a joke, quite strange, and probably illegal in most financially regulated countries where the promotion of these products is quite sturctured. Foreign exchange is a financial instrument and a trading tool.

    Your gambling segments are somewhat lopsided as well – and do not really conform to the sort of breakdowns that would normally occur if trying to categorise online gambling

    If I was going to attempt to categorise them then I’d try a split along the lines of :

    1) Poker (Texas Holdem, Omaha, Razz, stud and all the variants)
    2) Traditional Table Games (Blackjack, roulette, baccarat, craps)
    3) Slot Machines, Video poker, One Arm Bandits (anything you push a button to “spin”)
    4) Bingo
    5) Lotteries, Keno, Scratch cards
    6) Strategy games like Backgammon, Mahjong and Chess (when played for money)
    7) Sports betting
    8) Horse Racing (large enough on it’s own – and has specific US exclusions)

    I think that this gives EIGHT distinct categories that could be considered seperate areas.
    :hattip:

    #807566
    Sonja C.
    Member

    1) Poker (Texas Holdem, Omaha, Razz, stud and all the variants)
    2) Traditional Table Games (Blackjack, roulette, baccarat, craps)
    3) Slot Machines, Video poker, One Arm Bandits (anything you push a button to “spin”)
    4) Bingo
    5) Lotteries, Keno, Scratch cards
    6) Strategy games like Backgammon, Mahjong and Chess (when played for money)
    7) Sports betting
    8) Horse Racing (large enough on it’s own – and has specific US exclusions)

    the categories that I wrote above I heard from a law firm, it’s categories that relate to regulation and tax and so on…

    thanks for your post :hattip:
    I’ll think how to combine the two ways to categorise online gambling …

    #807576
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    @holdemradar 215002 wrote:

    if you call forex gambling, then you need to include stock trading as gambling which is going too far IMO

    Yes, I agree. And if we add stocks to this list, then why not also add bonds, commodities, options, etc. I think, and please correct me if I’m wrong, but “laurerb” was probably including FX (foreign exchange) as part of this list, because eToro specifically, has created an affiliate program that provides for either CPA or REV SHARE affiliate earnings, for recruited traders. Although there are one or two other FX vendors that do the same, the concept is still somewhat novel in the FX space.

    I don’t know of any non-FX brokerages that do the same in the financial arena.

    #807577
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    @TheGooner 215004 wrote:

    Forex is not a “gambling product” and frankly the e-Toro attempts to promote along the same lines are a bit of a joke, quite strange, and probably illegal in most financially regulated countries where the promotion of these products is quite sturctured. Foreign exchange is a financial instrument and a trading tool.

    I think FX is much more loosely regulated than traditional domestic-based markets, since it spans the world, and that is probably how eToro (and several others) get away with this. When eToro’s program first came out, I did some very preliminary research, and didn’t see anything that jumped out at me, as being totally illegal. REV SHARE for FX does seem a tad shady, IMO. However, there are several domestic brokerages (e.g., eTrade) that have affiliate programs – eTrade is a prominent US-based brokerage house that has a CPA program through Commission Junction.

    #807595
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Compare the way that Etrade advertises and the use of language that it allows to that of e-Toro. It’s chalk and cheese – two very different approaches.

    Etrade is careful to deal in facts, figures, spell out the costs and fees and emphasise that stocks may go up and down.

    E-Toro’s affiliate sites (not E-toro’s site itself) contain so many advertising breaches so many of financial advertising rules and regulations that you cannot take it seriously as a financial instrument. It really is almost marketed as an alternative to poker and is extremely irresponsible – with minimal control exerted by E-toro over it’s affiliates … the hyperbole is almost encouraged.
    :Cry:

    Whether by design or by accident e-Toro is heading for trouble in the US, UK, Australia and europe – whereever you have financial regulations that insist on factual advertising.

    #807596
    Sonja C.
    Member

    Forex is not a “gambling product” and frankly the e-Toro attempts to promote along the same lines are a bit of a joke, quite strange, and probably illegal in most financially regulated countries where the promotion of these products is quite sturctured. Foreign exchange is a financial instrument and a trading tool.

    I also didn’t find eToro related to online gaming since it’s actually a currency exchange tool + game visualization
    but I see that it has affiliation program here, and also they are not accepting US players like some other programs… so it became part of the industry…
    in general I think that it’s good to have it as a category but it definitely has much smaller market segment comparing to other categories…

    #807616
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    @lauferb 215095 wrote:

    and also they are not accepting US players like some other programs…

    I don’t see anything that prevents US-based individuals from joining eToro and “playing”….

    #807618
    Sonja C.
    Member

    according to casinocity they don’t accept us players: eToro Review by Online Casino City

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