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Roxy, 32 Red, Brightshare, Kiwi.
United Partner Program. I have private label casinos with them since 2001. Really honest opinion, not a plug. They keep converting.
If you want, use the link on my signature.Goldfinger wrote:Roxy, 32 Red, Brightshare, Kiwi.Thanks Goldfinger,
Roxy – I assume you mean Roxy Affiliates, I failed to find any attractive promotions for new players on Roxy Casino.
32 Red – I prefer programs that offer various brands. 32 Red is much of a single brand program
Bright Share – I wanted to sign up with them about a year ago. It turned out that they are located in Israel and for some accounting issues they are unable to accept and pay Israeli affiliates.
Kiwi – I have signed with Gaming Partners a few months ago but they were unable to provide me with a simple text review of Kiwi Casino even though i have asked twice for one.
Webmaster7 wrote:United Partner Program. I have private label casinos with them since 2001. Really honest opinion, not a plug. They keep converting.
If you want, use the link on my signature.Thanks Webmaster7,
I had private labels in the past and they did great. However, i am not interested in white lables anymore as my time and resources are limited and therefor solely dedicated to the sites i already have.I appreciate your honest opinion and wish you many more years of great profit from your sites.
It gets even worse because Roxy Affiliates is going to be a single casino affiliate program for you if you´re smart. They bundle and therefore I would only promote Roxy Casino or Vegas Splendido.
Yes Kiwi does lack a bit in support but it´s one of the best Playtechs.
I forgot to mention Referback. That´s one I like. The gaming club, Riverbelle, Jackpot City in various languages and Lucky Nugget make this a really good program.
One I am personally not promoting but am contemplating to sign up to is tridentshare. King Neptune´s and VegasUSA look really slick.
Others I would consider are Casino Partners (Spam issue was annoying), Casino Profit share (you can promote the instant payouts), and maybe Income Access which gives you access to Lasseters and Jackpot Joy.
Please use my sign up link if Referback looks convincing
Thanks for your effort Goldfinger, I really appreciate it.
Goldfinger wrote:It gets even worse because Roxy Affiliates is going to be a single casino affiliate program for you if you´re smart. They bundle and therefore I would only promote Roxy Casino or Vegas Splendido.I’ll blame my english for not really understanding what you mean by the above.
Like i said earlier, I could find no attractive promotions for new real players such as free play offers etc.Goldfinger wrote:Yes Kiwi does lack a bit in support but it´s one of the best Playtechs.I tend to stay away from programs that declare:
Gaming Partners website wrote:Our Promise-
Quality promotional material at your fingertips.
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Personal service from your Account Manager.
Yet fail to provide affiliates with a simple text review.
Goldfinger wrote:I forgot to mention Referback. That´s one I like. The gaming club, Riverbelle, Jackpot City in various languages and Lucky Nugget make this a really good program.One I am personally not promoting but am contemplating to sign up to is tridentshare. King Neptune´s and VegasUSA look really slick.
Others I would consider are Casino Partners (Spam issue was annoying), Casino Profit share (you can promote the instant payouts), and maybe Income Access which gives you access to Lasseters and Jackpot Joy.
I have promoted Referback and Casino Profit Share for a long time, didn’t do well and prefer to focus on trying others.
I think i should better emphasize again that this is not a thread for trying to filter “the best programs”. Indeed, i am looking for program that converts well and is reliable. The second most important thing is attractive promotions for new players such as the free play offers, bottom less bonuses, free spins etc.
After all, the new programs will have to compete with the promotions of the current programs i promote. You can’t beat a $500 free play offer with nothing.
So instead of “the best affiliate programs”, please think of this thread as an attempt to find the programs with the most attractive promotions for new players.
Thanks again
Bundling: Casino a,b,c make you $10,000 for September but at their casino d you have a winner of $11,000 and a bundling group such as Roxy Affiliates puts you in the negative for -$1000.
Others fence earnings off: You would get the $ 10,000 at the three casinos and the $11,000 would default to 0.
Hence, if a program bundles I only promote one casino. At Brightshare I only promote All Slots.
Well, again at the start of my affiliate Relationship with Kiwi I even had somebody fill out a two page interview for my site. They´ve only gotten a bit slow recently but that´s still annoying:mad:
With regards to free spins offers I must say you´re probably already promoting the grand champions of free time offers, 7Sultans, VegasRoyal, Mummy´s Gold, Captain Cook´s, Golden Tiger etc.
It all seems to be relative for instance I had a pretty crappy first week with Fortune. 6 downloads 1 depositor who deposited the $20 and lost, I got my share of $5 and the guy was never to be seen again.
Sorry but I can´t really think of any good microgaming programs to promote for new player incentives.
There is no answer to this.
Different programs perform differently on different sites.
I do extremely well with the free spin promotions.
All of the Micros are doing way better for me than other softwares, but playtech is slowly improving for me now.
I try to avoid bundling.
Negative carryovers are the pits – I have spent months and months in the minus with bigger winners. Forget that, it’s as likely to happen to you as a whale, sooner or later it gets you. Then I pull the program to at least rescue income from new players, but meanwhile I have done all that work sending quality players who are now loyal to those casinos and I see nothing for it.
I like a place that lets me build a player base. Retention is ultimately, in the long run, more important than conversion.
There is no short cut to evaluating programs for your site. Its a trial and error situation, my favorites have already been discounted in this thread and if I were to go by that I would have half the income.
There are some criterias though we all should watch out for: Bundling, negative carryovers, clauses that require you to send a minimum number of players in order to get paid for previous players sent (I really hate that one, get sick or lose ranking or something and no more pay for players already delivered. Pure theft in my eyes.) and miscellaneous lousy conditions.
Goldfinger wrote:Bundling: Casino a,b,c make you $10,000 for September but at their casino d you have a winner of $11,000 and a bundling group such as Roxy Affiliates puts you in the negative for -$1000.Others fence earnings off: You would get the $ 10,000 at the three casinos and the $11,000 would default to 0.
Hence, if a program bundles I only promote one casino. At Brightshare I only promote All Slots.
Thanks for clarifying that… it’s crystal clear now.
Goldfinger wrote:With regards to free spins offers I must say you´re probably already promoting the grand champions of free time offers, 7Sultans, VegasRoyal, Mummy´s Gold, Captain Cook´s, Golden Tiger etc.It all seems to be relative for instance I had a pretty crappy first week with Fortune. 6 downloads 1 depositor who deposited the $20 and lost, I got my share of $5 and the guy was never to be seen again.
Sorry but I can´t really think of any good microgaming programs to promote for new player incentives.
Yes, I am already promoting those. Some programs do very well, some do a little less but i’m satisfied with the bottom line.
I find it hard to believe these are the only programs that offer such incentives for new players. If it’s true, then it’s just a matter of time until more programs will follow this trend.
I have promoted Gambling Wages which uses RTG and provides attractive promotions for new players such as “2 Free $65 Chips” or “$77 Free” for quite a while and got nothing but a negative balance they even carry over.
So while the great free new player attractions work great for me on Microgaming platforms, the RTG free promotions generated nothing but loss to me.
BTW, this is why i’m currently removing all RTG brands from my sites. I find it a total waste of traffic to send it to RTG while i can profit from it.
There was a thread where I asked which rtgs to promote and what I ended up with was: Playunited (Earn United), Inetbet, Wager Profits, Bodog.
A lot of people have reservations regarding gambling wages for a number of reasons.
I find it hard to believe these are the only programs that offer such incentives for new players. If it’s true, then it’s just a matter of time until more programs will follow this trend.
I find that hard to believe as well but just this morning Referback informed me that they have decided to cease their Lucky Nugget free spins due to player fraud.
By the way do you think I can mail fortune to ask them to send out promo stuff to increase the conversion of those people that have downloaded. Don´t want to be unnecessarily pushy but I hate seeing these downloads sit in my stats without the money column filling up:wink-wink
Dominique wrote:There is no answer to this.Different programs perform differently on different sites.
True, I couldn’t agree more
Dominique wrote:I do extremely well with the free spin promotions.All of the Micros are doing way better for me than other softwares, but playtech is slowly improving for me now.
I try to avoid bundling.
I do well with the free spins / free play offers too. That’s why i started this thread. Micros are doing way better than others for me as well.
Bundling are like fire to me, when i see one – i go away.
Dominique wrote:Negative carryovers are the pits – I have spent months and months in the minus with bigger winners. Forget that, it’s as likely to happen to you as a whale, sooner or later it gets you. Then I pull the program to at least rescue income from new players, but meanwhile I have done all that work sending quality players who are now loyal to those casinos and I see nothing for it.I like a place that lets me build a player base. Retention is ultimately, in the long run, more important than conversion.
I did well even with programs that do carry over, they tend to erase the negative balance if you are a loyal, long term affiliate.
Retention is king – Free promos are just a method to catch the players, without good retention.. they will go away, no doubt about that.
Dominique wrote:There is no short cut to evaluating programs for your site. Its a trial and error situation, my favorites have already been discounted in this thread and if I were to go by that I would have half the income.I’m not looking for shortcuts, this thread is the result of my trial and error. I know this is my trial and error and it’s mostly relevant to my sites. However, i am pretty sure many others will find it relevant for them as well.
Moreover, i would like to make it clear that i don’t have any intention to discount nor disrespect any program that has been mentioned here. That being said, I can’t help wondering, who are your favorites? would you share your favorites with the rest of us? :la-de-da:
Goldfinger wrote:I find that hard to believe as well but just this morning Referback informed me that they have decided to cease their Lucky Nugget free spins due to player fraud.I know Referback are well reputed, for me they didn’t perform well and the fact their promos run for short periods made it hard for me to keep track of.
Goldfinger wrote:By the way do you think I can mail fortune to ask them to send out promo stuff to increase the conversion of those people that have downloaded. Don´t want to be unnecessarily pushy but I hate seeing these downloads sit in my stats without the money column filling up:wink-winkI would wait to see how many out of.. let’s say.. 50-100 downloads will convert and email them then.
On the other hand, if it will not help – it will not cause harm. You can email LizaV [at] fortuneaffiliates.com and she will inform you about the steps they are willing to make.
hope that helps
BTW 50 to 100 downloads are not a sufficient sample. Not for me anyway.
Who do I like best?
Well, I like all the large micros, Casino Rewards works very well for me, Wagershare is doing very well especially since I have only promoted them for a few months, ditto casino profitshare, they are coming right along. Fortune is improving, and I like Referback. Blaster showed a lot of promise in a recent test and I will gibve them better exposure, and I like working with IOG and Kiwi.
Really, Gamesandcasino promotes most any program that has a good player reputation and aff reputation and doesn’t spamdex the engines. They all start out in small out of the way spots and when I see movement I increase exposure, and so on and so on.
Stagnant programs just sit there and eventually fall off the site all the way.
Periodically I pick up a stagnant one and give it a second chance, and more often than not they do better than the first time.
This industry is dynamic, things change all the time, so we got to stay on our toes and make sure our eggs are not all in one basket..
The only problem with UPP is that they still carry over negative balances. I’ve already talked with them about this, and one day they removed a big negative balance, but it was a gift.
I think I’ll write an official letter for the management. Most good programs no longer carry over.Other than that, I think my players trust their platform. I’ve seen many deposits of $25k at one time!!
For 5 years I promoted my own casino, not other brands, but now I see that I should have done both… when people get tired of my casino, they don’t have where to go. Big mistake from my part. Live and learn…
The only advantage was that there was no way for them to skip my affiliate code, and I could build my brand
Good luck!!! :hehe:
Dominique wrote:BTW 50 to 100 downloads are not a sufficient sample. Not for me anyway.50 to 100 are usually not sufficent, 250-500 downloads will provide a much more accurate picture… i’ve seen programs that did awful at the start but the line was straighten later. I’ve also seen programs generate $5000 revenue within less than 50 downloads
Dominique wrote:Who do I like best?Well, I like all the large micros, Casino Rewards works very well for me, Wagershare is doing very well especially since I have only promoted them for a few months, ditto casino profitshare, they are coming right along. Fortune is improving, and I like Referback. Blaster showed a lot of promise in a recent test and I will gibve them better exposure, and I like working with IOG and Kiwi.
Really, Gamesandcasino promotes most any program that has a good player reputation and aff reputation and doesn’t spamdex the engines. They all start out in small out of the way spots and when I see movement I increase exposure, and so on and so on.
Stagnant programs just sit there and eventually fall off the site all the way.
Periodically I pick up a stagnant one and give it a second chance, and more often than not they do better than the first time.
This industry is dynamic, things change all the time, so we got to stay on our toes and make sure our eggs are not all in one basket..
Sounds like a healthy marketing and managing method. I work in a quite similar way.
