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I have no objection to the casinos applying these terms from June 1st onwards.
I will strenuously object and shame any casino operator who tries to apply these terms retroactively, however, so be warned.
The silence from the relevant affiliate managers on this issue is deafening, will any of you step forward and make a statement on this?
For those of you promoting poker rooms i find it fairly simple…promote other skins…Party poker is a great brand, yes…but who cares if other skins have better T&C. Take them down…let management feel how the guy who changed the T&C has fucked up.
The problem is however different for those of you promoting casinos…
Spearmaster wrote:I have no objection to the casinos applying these terms from June 1st onwards.I will strenuously object and shame any casino operator who tries to apply these terms retroactively, however, so be warned.
I agree. I’m not happy at all with the news from Fortune Affiliates and will be contacting their rep on my forum about this, to get a clearer clarification on this.
I’d suggest, that if this does go ahead, it only applies to programs whose changes are retroactively applied to players already referred under different terms. After all, it’s reasonable to accept that any business can set their own terms of affiliation, so long as it doesn’t impact the terms of previous affiliate agreements.
agreed.
and as someone else suggested, perhaps the title might be better served as a “changelist” opposed to blacklist.
that way it encompasses any kind of change to the original T&Cs which can then be eluded to on the respective thread.
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I agree with Spear on this
And will add
Why would I have you on my site if I’m not making money?EXACTLY!
furthermore, if you are an aff and you have casinos listed on your site which are not making money, (and you’ve given them ample time to produce), then you are IMHO stupid, yes I said stupid, and deserve what you are getting.
Why am I so adamant about this? Because if a program isn’t making you money but you are successful with others, then IMHO you are likely being cheated and most appalling of all, is you are making it possible for these scumbags to continue to exist, continue to cheat those that are unaware, because the money they are stealing from you is funding their excursion into the tomorrow, which allows for the whole damn thing to become full circle and to start over again.
I don’t care if everybody else you talk to is making money with a program, if you are not, and you’ve given them fair chance, yank their ass down!
You would think simple common sense logic would be enough to police this matter but I know for a fact that is not the case. Whether it is perhaps because a webmaster is making enough $ that they can afford to be apathetic to a dead beat partner, or some other reason …. there are many, many websites out there that have casinos listed on them that have been nothing but dead weight to the webmaster for 6 months or much longer.
People need to start thinking in terms of that these leeches are doing more damage than just the fact they are taking up precious advertising space. As I said, they are likely cheating you – especially if you cut back their exposure and they come yelling “ouch” – yet you’ve never seen decent income with them
I had 2 peers just recently talk to me about programs that had approached them offering to sweeten the deal if they’d get back the exposure that had been taken away – yet the reason they were taken down was because they didn’t produce …. ? well it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure that one out ….
Why would I have you on my site if I’m not making money?
that works both ways. Why would a program be worried about being taken down off your sites if it wasn’t making money there anyway? I bet this rings a bell to more than a few people who have had programs approach them about why they’d lost position, or been taken down completely: and of course, the reason you took them down was because they weren’t making you any money. Yet here they are wanting to know why they’d lost positions on your site?
btw, Casino Coins was the program I am thinking about. I cannot say the name of the affiliate but rest assured he has been in the biz for a while and I trust him to be honest about such things. To what gain would there be to lie to me? And perhaps he’ll read this and come forward to confirm …. or correct anything I’ve said. But I remember, it was Coins he had said.
they so suck.
anyway, the point is that if you don’t keep your garden weeded in a prompt and curt manner, you are likely not only cheating yourself out of $, but you’re also in turn possibly funding the kind of scum that is poison to everyone in our shoes.
(and I use this most recent Amsterdam issue as proof), that if one program sees another able to get away with shitting on their affs, soon all of them will be pushing the line further back against our already over-taxed ability to make any decent income in this biz. There’s just too much already stacking the decks against us….
I’ll get off my soap box now. (for newbies: I seem unable to keep from bringing this subject up about once a year- but in my defense, its something that is to everyone’s advantage, and that IMHO is not paid near enough attention).
that works both ways. Why would a program be worried about being taken down off your sites if it wasn’t making money there anyway? I bet this rings a bell to more than a few people who have had programs approach them about why they’d lost position, or been taken down completely: and of course, the reason you took them down was because they weren’t making you any money. Yet here they are wanting to know why they’d lost positions on your site?
OMG how true is that! Add me into the mix here with all the sudden the casinos take an intrest in you, we were making money off a casino and then boom a dead stop started so we stopped promotion, guess who they call?
How do these casinos know your bringing them traffic and here you sit on zero hits, and rev? They all need to know we are going to of course stick together and watch them like hawks!
Even if the do say “this only applies to new affiliates’, I will still always be suspicious. If there are two different terms, one for existing affiliates and one for new affiliates, how do we know what they are doing behind the scenes? I believe that eventually the new terms will be applied to everyone. Example: Party says that we lose our players if they don’t play for 60 days. And let’s say they only apply that to new affiliates. Well, now they have to set up their software to make that distinction. But for how long? If they started to apply that to existing affiilates, as well, we wouldn’t know the difference. How would I know that they just took some players from me? And even if I did know, what can I do about it? The current agreement says that I “lose my players if they don’t play in 60 days”. I don’t know about you guys, but I don’t trust the ‘ol ‘this only applies to new affiliates’ speech.
Programs implementing this changes will be required to keep two separate sets of stats, and we must be able to view them independently.
This is what they don’t like, they say they can’t keep two sets of stats – so I told them “then don’t change the rules and expect us to accept it”.
AceKicker wrote:Even if the do say “this only applies to new affiliates’, I will still always be suspicious. If there are two different terms, one for existing affiliates and one for new affiliates, how do we know what they are doing behind the scenes? I believe that eventually the new terms will be applied to everyone. Example: Party says that we lose our players if they don’t play for 60 days. And let’s say they only apply that to new affiliates. Well, now they have to set up their software to make that distinction. But for how long? If they started to apply that to existing affiilates, as well, we wouldn’t know the difference. How would I know that they just took some players from me? And even if I did know, what can I do about it? The current agreement says that I “lose my players if they don’t play in 60 days”. I don’t know about you guys, but I don’t trust the ‘ol ‘this only applies to new affiliates’ speech.There is a way to test the system. Create a unique bonus code for a friend and have him sign up for real money under your affiliate account and have him play. Then wait 60+ days and have him play again. Then you can check if you are being credited for his play under that unique bonus code. Sounds like a headache, but this is one way to check up on them.
exactly. And nothing in particular against PP, just that in my experience, you are way ahead of the game to do some testing on every program, every once in a while.
I believe this is poker’s equivalent of “keepin’ them honest”.
Roxy has retracted part of it’s changes. From my mailbox:
I am sending out this late Friday email to announce a change in our recently updated commission structure here at Roxy Affiliates.
I have spent the last 4 hours in discussions with the directors and presented them with your valuable feedback. We have come to the following decision after much consideration.
We have re-instated the 25% commission level.
We have however made one change which applies to increased commission levels. In order to move up to the next tier you are required to send at least 1 new player in a given month.
New Purchasing Casino Players Per month Monthly Casino Commissionable Earnings Commission %
1 or more $30,000 – Or more 35%
1 or more $15,001 – $30,000 30%
1 or more $1 – $ 15,000 25%
0 No limit on existing players 25%I want to once again thank everyone for their valuable feedback. We are in the process of establishing an affiliate based discussion panel to discuss any future changes prior to implementing them. We feel this will bring us closer to your concerns and help you understand ours.
I trust you will find these changes to be fair and acceptable. Please contact me directly via email, IM or toll free should you have any further questions or concerns.
Have a great weekend and I will be in touch next week.
Best Regards,
Garth Wilbyaleph wrote:This trend may only get worse as the consolidation continues.I have noticed my Captain Cook account drop even though I have sent
more customers. Anybody else experience such drops ?
Me. I haven’t seen a penny from them in months. Odd considering I have sent them 50+ customers over the years. I am tired of fighting them for money due me.
Integrity had me all messed up and it still is, when classic opened I sent them 300 players and many of those turned into deps, like I said I went from making good money to earning 6 cents last month! I had a few high rollers in cooks and kingdom…. just gave up gambling I guess ..NOT!
:turkey: lol he is cutelagunacat wrote:Me. I haven’t seen a penny from them in months. Odd considering I have sent them 50+ customers over the years. I am tired of fighting them for money due me.same here they constantly come up with every excuse not to pay … this
after years of payments … sending everyone a BIG heads up warning …
I am owed about $4000.00 … Cook is turning into a CROOK.
I know this sort of does fit the heading of this thread, but I would like to keep the focus on MM, Roxy, Fortune and PP changing T&Cs. Cooks is still in flux I think and posting one’s grievances would do most good in the Casino Rewards section. There they will be heard by someone who may possibly be able to do something about it. Cooks is a somewhat different situation from the others above.
