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[Anonymous]

Of the half dozen or so programs that I promote, VIP is by far the best.

[Anonymous]

Bodog is pretty good. Strong conversions, cross-over to poker and casino, and pretty loyal players.

[Anonymous]

Please do take a moment to check out:-

http://www.vipprofits.com
VIP Sports (soon to be vip.com)
Gameday Sportsbook
Five Card Charlie

http://www.9am.com
Nine.com
Betcom
Mybookie

All of these books are liked by players and operated under Leisure and Gaming PLC.

PM or email me with any specific questions you may have regarding these books.

[Anonymous]

DO NOT DEAL WITH BETCRIS EVER

Tip of the day for everyone here

Be weary of all Costa Rican sportsbooks in fact, as well as all Sportingbet books

One place i can recommend for you guys is Wagerweb, they are similar to both Vipprofits and Nine, in terms of the amount of neat stuff they offer for content, which includes more banners than any place on the net, live audio feeds, articles, odds, etc…

From a bettors viewpoint, i know that more experienced gamblers like myself and others prefer the exchanges Betfair and Mansion for normal action(no juice), Pinnacle for the horse racing(rebate on all action), and Bet365 for the large selection of soccer betting

From an affiliates point of view however, i have noticed that the casino and poker is more profitable, maybe it’s just me, or the info on my sites is just so damn good that everyone wins, but i would always go with the CPA on sports, when available, i am currently several thousand in the hole from my players winning

They desperately need a new affiliate scheme for sports betting, something like poker, where you get a % of all action, like 3% of the juice

It’s only fair, that is how the books make money, so we should get a part of that

Something these guys here should consider, yeah i’m talking to you nine.com guy and your gang

For every $100 bet in your book you get $10-15 from the juice, i should get $3-5 of that

Doesn’t that seem fair

[Anonymous]

Vip Profits
Canbet
Bet365

all convert well for me. However overall I prefer Canbet as they do not carry over negative balance. One of the few that do not carry over. Vip and Bet365 do carry over.

[Anonymous]

nick777 wrote:

For every $100 bet in your book you get $10-15 from the juice, i should get $3-5 of that

Doesn’t that seem fair

Actually no it isn’t.

You know very well that they DON’T automatically make money on every bet – in fact the sports model is exactly like other net win models in casino.

While it’s true that bookmakers have an over-round (ranging from 6% to 15%) on odds – all that means is that IF they can get a balanced book within that threashold then the bookmaker will make a profit.

In reality, most sports betting will see one side heavily favoured over the other – which is what forces the handicap points start to move as bookmakers frantically try to balance the weight of money.

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I do have turnover deals with several of the books I deal with – getting a tiny percentage (1%-2%) of their total action. That doesn’t pay out any more than rev share – but is more stable obviously.

[Anonymous]

Well Gooner

Assuming the “middle” is 20%, as it is at the majority of places, the odds will look like this

-110 – Hom Team
-110 – Vis Team

If home team gets more action, the line looks like this

-140 – Hom Team
+120 – Vis Team

And so on, depending on how much money is bet on them

So the sportsbook does’nt care who wins the game, their money comes from the juice(middle), and i certainly don’t want to care about who wins the game, and whether my player is a good handicapper

For every guy that wins, another loses, that’s what balancing the books is

They make money either way, unless they are “leaning” on a team, but nobody really does that anymore, unless they are certain the fix is in

The “middle” to me is very similar to the “rake” in poker

And i want a part of that action

[Anonymous]

I understand the prinicpal Nick.
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However most good books are actually down at -104 or -105 (decimal prices 1.95 or 1.96) these days
(I certainly won’t play anywhere else … and don’t recommend books who think that they can run -108, -110 or -112 lines anymore)

And most games are actually leaning one side or another – despite the best efforts of the books to make it level out.

I remember reading an NFL piece a couple of month ago that said of the last two seasons short price favourites were taking the bookies to the cleaners … NCAA football was the same.

and it’s certainly true in European football too with Bayern Munich, Chelsea, Juventus and AC Milan all winning 95% of home games between them.

Making money from sports betting as a bookie has not been easy … because punters have simply been able to “coin it” by backing the favourites.

That “juice” is the potential profits – but it’s not there every game – or even for every affiliate – which is why we’re not getting offered a simple share of it.

I wish we were …
:p

[Anonymous]

I would disagree slightly on some points there Gooner

1st – Don’t believe anything you read

As for the soccer, i pay close attention to the odds, especially where the big teams are concerned…Man Utd, Chelsea, Liverpool, Arsenal, Barcelona, Real Madrid, Milan, Juventus, etc…

The amount of money bet on them is more than 10x the amount bet on their opponents on a weekly basis, no matter where they play, provided they are not playing one another, most of the time

Looking at one game, being played right now

AC Milan vs Livorno

96.2% of all action on that game is on AC Milan to win
1.7% of the action is on Livorno, the rest on the tie

That is a huge discrepency there, but you will see things like this every week, or close to it

When you consider the tie factor, things change considerably, the tie is always a huge “take” for the books

Looking at AC Milan this season, they win their games at a rate of 71% overall, therefore you will see they are overbet, like the other big teams always are, in todays game, and all the time mostly

The public bets AC Milan to win(in this case)96% of the time, that number varies of course, but regardless, they are overbet the majority of the time

So despite what you read, i am 100% sure that the books make big money on the big teams in particular

Lets look at another game coming up later

Real Madrid vs Osasuna

It is virtually a pickem, with Real Madrid the slightest favourite by name alone

Assuming the game finishes in a tie, which is very possible here

The books would pocket 80+% of ALL ACTION on this game

8% of the action is bet on the tie
92% of the action is on Real or Osasuna to win

92% – the tie payout would leave you with at least 80% in this case of pocket money just for booking a bet(the bookies of course will disagree, what would you expect, they are bookies)

The odds on the game are

Real 2.68
Osasuna 3.05
Tie 3.30

In 34 games this year

Real Madrid has won 53% of the time
Osasuna has won 56% of the time

Real Madrid has tied over 26% of their games, more than a quarter, this year

So do the math and see how much the books are pocketing, especially on the big teams

In Real’s case they are pocketing huge amounts more than a quarter of the time, then profiting nicely the other quarter of the time, while the other half of the time they are hovering around breaking even(usually making money no matter what the outcome)

This is the pattern with most of the big teams

Soccer is a huge market, the most bet on sport in the world, you should get a piece of that action, especially with the game becoming increasingly more corrupt and dirty, as is evident by the various sportsbook banners surrounding the playing fields, much match fixing is going on unpunished, typically the refs are the culprits, they are like some soccer mafia, all working together

Consider this

More than a quarter of all soccer games finish tied, in every big league over the course of a season

If you bet the tie, you normally get odds of 3-1 or slightly higher but close

You should be getting at least 7-1 odds on the tie

Ok, i’m rambling on now, but the point is, soccer fans are nutballs, they will almost never bet the tie, it is about betting their team to win, not about betting their team not to win…And with you getting ripped off so much on the tie odds, it is less likely that many will bet it, in fact, there is almost never a situation where more than 10% of all action is bet on the tie, but it hits more than 25% of the time…And that is how they make money

I’ll say one more thing about the dirty game(might as well start a soccer thread)

The games with the MOST ACTION, usually when 2 of the big teams play eachother in league play, or in a competition like the Champions League, end up in a tie about 50% of the time in recent history

Look at over 100 Champions League games this year, more than 40% finished in a tie

Look at the 2 finalists Barcelona and Arsenal

In the last 12 games between them in the Champions League(the games with the most action), 6 of them finished in a tie, 50% on the nose

When big money is on the line, ties become suspiciously more frequent

Like i said, if you promote this garbage, you should get a piece of the action.

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