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I used to live in San Francisco and had lots of gay friends – my closest friend for 17 years was a gay male.
I always thought people were born into sexual preference, and that it was nature’s way to deal with rapidly growing populations. You see the same in the animal kingdom.
I also think that it’s not a matter of totally gay or totally straight – I think there is a curve and some people really are at the extreme points, but many more are distributed anywhere in between with bisexuals right in the middle.
Society makes you choose, and also, it just makes life a lot simpler to settle on one side or the other. And most people never end up in situations where they try the other side.
I think all this prejudice against gays is a bunch of nonsense. :hattip:
I saw that on the news last night and did a mini hurray while I watched it!
Thinking of the torment that some of my friends went through because of their lifestyle choices makes my heart heavy but its encouraging knowing that people are going to have to force their eyes open with this new study… hard to deny science.I’ve always been a middle of the road person on the nature/nuture debate.
i believe, a lot like Dom, most people are less than 100% heterosexual or 100% homosexual and that combination of genes and environment affects where on the scale someone is at various points in life.
To me genes and sex are about procreation. Sexual desire, lust, love is emotional/environmental/cultural. So, as humanity becomes more intellectually sophisticated and able to live a more leisurely life, people are more open to the notion that an intimate relationship might not be limited by gender. I think that the sexual revolution that let people start enjoying sex, also opened up the notion that friendships can be as/more intimate than sex.
I mean, how many people my age (over 40) could imagine hearing male actors, musicians on TV, nearly daily talking about their “man crushes” back in 1970s. When i was 20, Liberace and Rock Hudson were suing people for “claiming” they were gay. Roy Cohn was still gaybaiting, while everyone in NYC knew he was gay and had AIDs, etc.
The world is much different these days and the way most americans deal with sexuality and relationships is much improved.
@AmCan 166518 wrote:
i believe, a lot like Dom, most people are less than 100% heterosexual or 100% homosexual and that combination of genes and environment affects where on the scale someone is at various points in life.
Reading that and Dom’s statement on that subject seemed odd to me at first only because I don’t recall ever being attracted to any female that I’ve met in a sexual way.
I guess the “curve” are the Bi-sexual people? In my mind (and I certainly could be wrong) I see that as “worldly” instead of nature. :tongue:
i saw this article too in a newspaper…thought it was very interesting indeed. most gay people i know (both malke and female) say theyve always felt that way but because of society/projected expectations – most have spent a lot of time in hetrosexual relationships – which then failed and they have moved towards their true desires. nature/nurture…always tricky. nice top see so many people being 1. frank and 2. non judgemental. its a rare environment where that can happen – good work CAP!
@james 166538 wrote:
nice top see so many people being 1. frank and 2. non judgemental. its a rare environment where that can happen – good work CAP!
Speaking of judgemental, the one thing that bothered me about that segment was the fact that Sherry started talking about how God does not condon it and what the bible sais on the subject, blah blah blah.
Personally, I feel that the bible is a guide and not so much the actual Word of God, but also consists of what man’s interpretation of what he sees as “right”. I can’t wrap my head around the idea that you automatically go to hell for being gay.
I grew up with the understanding that we are all equal in God’s eyes and HE is the one that created us so why would a particular group be damned from the start with no chance of forgiveness or eternal life?
Personally I think people spend far too much time on analyzing this question. They also spend an inordinate amount of effort examing racial and financial differences between people.
If we could just get to the point of saying:
PEOPLE ARE PEOPLE regardless of race, religion, financial status or sexual preference.
EVERYONE deserves the right to live the way that they want as long as it doesnt impinge upon the rights of others.
While the bible does NOT condone many activities it also said:
Judge not, that ye be not judged. Matthew 7.1
Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven. Luke 6.37
Before the right wing extremists set about imposing their will on everyone our country was based on individual rights and freedoms. Americans valued this before all else. I pray for the day when we go back to those ideals.
@GamTrak 166523 wrote:
Reading that and Dom’s statement on that subject seemed odd to me at first only because I don’t recall ever being attracted to any female that I’ve met in a sexual way.
I guess the “curve” are the Bi-sexual people? In my mind (and I certainly could be wrong) I see that as “worldly” instead of nature. :tongue:
Worldly – nature – it all intertwines – that’s the way life evolves. “Worldly” things are what changes the imprint on our genes over generations and centuries. We are talking about “nature” versus “nurture” here.
Sexual preference, on the physical level, is controlled by the flow of hormones. Now, people are born having a circuitry that has the hormones being released by either the opposite sex or the same sex. That’s the nature part. Now comes the nurture. Everyone initially is pushed by society to prefer the opposite sex. For people on that side of the curve, it comes “naturally” and they never look to the other side or feel much interest. But people on the other side of the curve will have varying degrees of trouble getting interested in the opposite sex in a way that sets the hormones flowing.
Eventually people on the far end of the gay curve will seperate out and follow their nature instead of nurture. Some people toward the middle will go both ways and usually eventually settle on one side or the other. With some people the nurture is very strong and they spend their lives disregarding their nature.
So, if you are naturally on the same side of the curve as the “nurture” of society, it is not very likely that you are going to be interested in checking out the other side. Your hormones work the right way to fit into sociecty and there is no reason or desire to change that. If the “nurture” of society were focussed on gay being normal, you may well have foud yourself on the other side, depending on how far to the end of the curve you are.
It all makes sense to me that way.
In any case, the professor is correct, it really doesn’t matter. We are all the same people with the same feelings and desires. So you like strawberry icecream and I like chocolate – so what?
Personally I think people spend far too much time on analyzing this question.
I agree, I just accept everyone for who they are and I don’t judge anyone unless you mess me or mine
I have always got along with many people from many cultures because of the fact I just accept them and they accept me for my weird things I do..:roflmao:I have to agree with Bonustreak…
I think that, whilst interesting, the nature-nuture debate misses the point somewhat.
of far more importance is how we choose to treat other humans. It’s always bothered me that reporting of gay people uses their sexuality as a pre-fix;
…that gay-actor, a homosexual teacher, the lesbian tennis player….
doesn’t happen that way in other walks of life. It’s not as if you could add that pre-fix to every single one of their daily actions. Do they make a gay-cup of tea or perhaps a lesbian-casserole!
Aside from the development of a valid ‘Gay Culture’, whether through music or literature the only time when gay people enage in anything truely ‘gay’ are those bedroom moments that are no body elses business but their own!
Thanks for the indept explaination Dom. When you put it that way to me then it make sense.
I’m similar to you bonustreak, My motto is “to each their own, but leave mine alone”. :tongue:
By folks making a big deal out of this issue it has caused gay people to take drastic measures.
In the news today, one gay couple was discovered to have been married after one of them went to get a divorce and wanted to change their name to something more femanine and got arrested. This person was 18 years old.
This has prompted the need to change the fields on the legal form from bride and groom to Male and Female.
Another example of our tax dollars “working for us”. What a total waste.
Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven. Luke 6.37
Amen to that!
Back Door Trojans are a pain in the ass <<< That should make no sense but it does Being gay is better than being Bi-Sexual, i mean make up your freakin mind Personally i think it’s the mother’s responsibility to spank the gay out of their child at the first warning sign I’m sure i’ll get booed for my views by the Pro-Everything people, but seriously, i live in the gay capital of the world here in Toronto and it goes too far, i don’t need to be exposed to Twink movies while channel surfing during Prime Time on regular cable, i’m flipping through the channels and come across some guy giving another guy a hummer at 8pm right after i had dinner, it’s not cool That’s the biggest problem, not so much what people do in their alone time, but when their same sex views start influencing u and become an unwanted part of your life by constantly exposing u to it The trouble is when you’re a good looking guy, as i usually am, and u accept a guy who’s gay as a friend or acquaintance, they’ll want to have sex with u, and it’s disturbing, they stare u down with these horny eyes and it just don’t feel right I’m sure everyone has different experiences, I don’t know if i agree with other peoples views about being born that way since most gay people have had sex with members of the opposite sex, a doctor in Michigan actually invented a cure for Gaydom recently, i saw him turn rats gay and then ungay them by injecting them with some formula It’s a bit of an enigma to me, the gay population keeps rising but i can’t figure out how they’re breeding Let me end this by saying: I Am Not Gay & U Shouldn’t Be Either
Dear Abby
A couple of women moved in across the hall from me. One is a middle-aged gym teacher, and the other is a social worker in her mid twenties. These two women go everywhere together, and I’ve never seen a man go into their apartment or come out.
Do you think they could be Lebanese?
Regards
Concernednick777;166663 wrote:The trouble is when you’re a good looking guy, as i usually am, and u accept a guy who’s gay as a friend or acquaintance, they’ll want to have sex with u, and it’s disturbing, they stare u down with these horny eyes and it just don’t feel rightI would consider myself to be a good looking gal and it’s not abnormal for me to have some good looking men who are friends. But I do not assume with every friendship I have with a heterosexual man is a ploy on his part to start relations and with that I do not think it should be assumed that every friendship with a homosexual person is a ploy on their part… for anything more than a friendship.
But of course with everything there is always grey area to the situation – with both heterosexuals and homosexuals.
