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Since you appear very quickly when a post here mentions your program, I assume you monitor CAP and know how we do things here.
We do not allow flaming. Most flames are started by inappropriate accusations. No matter how subdued the accusation, it angers someone.
When threads contain such inflammatory statements, and incite arguments and more accusations, I move them to the free for all area, away from the professional section. In free for all, people can flame all they like.
Now this is a legitimate topic raised by Mihai, regarding the loyalty of affiliates, and if they can easily be wooed away by a program offering better percentages.
Prior to the derailmant of the topic, the consensus seemed to be that it depends on how the managers treat the affiliates. Affiliates will stay loyal to places that treat them well, even if there is a monetary set back.
This is what I perceive to be the topic of this thread. Let’s get back to it. I’d hate to have to move a legitimate and interesting topic to free for all.
My apologies Dominique, feel free to delete this post if you like.
Lorne, exactly who are you accusing of not being civil? In addition, answer my question in the above post
“You mentioned in your post that the negative carry-over has been erased for some affiliates. Maybe if you could enlighten us with the situation that one would have to reach to get this treatment it would help others understand what needed to be accomplished”
and you have a perfect opportunity to return to civil yourself. You are the one who came into this post with your “unfortunate” coment, which I didn’t find all that civil.
great to read these type of threads as I start to expand into casinos
Poker does not have negative balances, so all this is new to me.
I dont see what the big “fuss” is all about.
Bonustreak – with $800/month you have no leverage whatsoever to make an aff program remove the negative carryovers, and the rest of the people who posted in this thread should have told you this a long time ago. It’s just not profitable for a program to risk losing a whole bunch of money for a small affiliate. When you get big and make $800/day – then, believe me, they would be more than happy to negotiate with you. Until then – sit tight and work on your wbesite.
Negatives would not “kill” you in a long run. A very, very small percentage of the winners actually withdraw and then never play again. Most of the winners would not even withdraw the money. So it really isnt a big deal that you have carryovers.
About the topic of this thread – I would advise every small affiliate to take the best deal they have been offered. This way you would get the best money, and you would learn a lot about the aff programs you have been/will be working with. When you become a better earner in the future – then as Mihai said, you will have your handfull of partners, plus, it would be a real hustle to change programs often, if at all.
Ok I will respect Dom and her wishes and seal my lips on this matter, I have done what I think needs to be done on my end.
Stupid wrote:Negatives would not “kill” you in a long run. A very, very small percentage of the winners actually withdraw and then never play again. Most of the winners would not even withdraw the money. So it really isnt a big deal that you have carryovers.There is absolutely no point in making less money than you are able to unless there are other incentives in play.
If program A carries over negatives and program B doesn’t, I am with program B unless program A offers me something special that makes me loyal to them.
For instance, I would prefer a poker program that pays a lower percentage but does not allow rake back to one that offers a higher comission but lets other affiliates steal my players. Here, what initially seems like a better deal, is not in reality.
We are all in business here, and we all want to make as much money as we can. I do promote several programs that carry over negatives, but I am prepared to immediately drop them should I have a carry over that kills my income in the following month.
No point throwing money into a dark hole.
Dom, I agree with you – it’s better not to have negative carryovers, than having them.
All I am saying is:
a). The carryovers issue sould not be a deal-breaker by any means. Let’s not forget that the house will always win, and you are part of the house. There are other ways to get around the carryovers if you really want it – getting a CPA deal, for example, is an option.
b). The grass is always green on the other side of the river :Bong:
Of course there are affiliates who get better deals than you, but their NGR is 200K – 400K a month, not 2K-4K a month. Wake up and smell the coffee.
It’s like comparing a mom-and-pop store with WalMart (or the biggest retailer in your country).I am not trying to take any sides here, just looking on this matter the way it is.
The programs that do not value smaller affiliates will not have them around once they get big. The affiliate will have moved on to places that were helpful and appreciative from the start.
Never be discouraged – if you have something to bring to the table – a new idea, a special promo, whatever, always see if there is a program that wants to help you with it.
Chances are there will be. Maybe not the first one you ask, but if you keep looking I am quite positive that you will find someone to work with you.
That is what relationships are built on and profitable associations are made of. Programs and affiliates help each other make more money, and the more we cooperate, the more it works.
Of course the handful of super affiliates gets to make better deals. These are the vast minority however, and the smart program concentrates on on growing small and medium affiliates bigger. If one makes more money, so does the other. We depend on each other, and it’s good to find the dependable programs.
Pretty much offtopic discussion.
Still i think it can be resumed to this.Most small affiliates need an imediate profit and are much likely to leave for any better deal. The more established ones have recurring revenues and most probably a speacial deal and they are hard to move.
Regarding the negative carry over. It can also happen on poker on 90% of rooms. The bonuses are deducted from MGR so i think webmasters that have bonus players must check for this. For exemple our players that generate negative balance are considered at 0 profit , some rooms deduct the bonus and consider it negative and others pay on gross.
It is unfortunate that some affiliates use posts either as trying to leverage negotiations or even as a threat.
Now Lorne, if you don’t reply to emails, how is a person to contact you? Folks, I have not had a great experience with Vegas Lucky affil program. Lorne and I made a sponsorship and promo deal, I stood up to my end of it….banners in top placement at all 4 sites etc…. It took 1 month for the “deal” to finalize on their end. Yes, they got an extra 30 days of advertising….I was very patient…some would say dumb….I should not have left banners up giving them the extra advertising.Then…..to this date, some players still have not received their contest coupon win. They were to be given a no deposit amount,they received a deposit bonus coupon ~ from a deposit contest, which we have had to pay from our own pocket, this has been an on going issue, and is no longer responded to.
Stats are a completely different story……I had one player alone deposit over $300….it never did show up in my stats, much less any of the other 200 plus downloads I have there and 128 players! I have not made a dime here,it has cost me valuable time and money, all banners were removed from all our sites long ago.
Let’s not even get into the hassle of a member collecting a small cash out!
What a great thread has been going on here!!
I only have to say that you can’t build yourself (and/or the aff. program you promote) a good reputation if you don’t pay attention to the small affiliates. Being opened to hear what these type of affs. have to say and suggest is crutial in my opinion.
About negative carry overs, that’s something I wouldn’t even consider since it’s quite unfair for webmasters.
Cheers,
Freddy
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