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Full Tilt is a joke. Your wasting potential income by sending players there instead of elsewhere. All your income earned there is eaten up by some bs fees they assess to your account. When I first started out with them I got a few players the first month, and after they sent the monthly income report from these 3 players there was $119 in net rake. They can tell you you make 20% or 27% all they want. I made a wopping $2.47 cents total from that $119. I don’t know exactly how it works, but I just need to look at the bottom line there and it wasn’t a smart business decision to push them anymore. They are absolutely crazy if they think they can retain affiliates with a program like that. At that rate if I generated $10k in rake, I might break a couple hundred in commission verses about $2500 at other places like absolute poker. I would definitely not waste your traffic on such a lousy program. I also have to question any program that does not allow affiliates to log in and check their stats daily. I would find it hard to believe that a program that is endorsed by a lot of the pros is involved in any underhanded techniques, but in my opinion there is no reason an affiliate program shouldn’t have online stats. It definitely makes me wonder.
Bonusgeek… I was thinking what you just told me. I really want to promote them because they have great promotions for players. But I was very suprised I wouldn’t be able to check my stats on a daily business…Seems like affiliates are an after thought for them.
For me it wasnt even so much that I couldn’t check my stats daily, it was the fact that they pulled $119 in rake and I made 2 lousy dollars. What a joke that is. How on earth can any affiliate promote them with that kind of return. That equalls out to less than 3% of the rake. Perhaps that was an aberation, but that was enough for me to pull the cord. I am trying real hard not to fall into any of the traps that many affiliates look back on and say damn I wish I would have made a better decision there. I agree though, with many programs the affiliates are paramount and with full tilt I don’t think they much cared when I let them know we are parting company and why. As a matter of fact when I emailed them and asked them why any affiliate would want to continue a relationship with them when they make less than 3% of the net rake and they replied with reasons like “endorsed by all the pros, great player bonuses, ect…” Well thats great if I could actually make any money with them but there was nothing mentioned in their reply about making $2.47 when $119 was raked. I am pretty sure some other affiliates have the same sentiments as I do as there was a similar thread on this somewhere.
The rake issue also seems a bit fishy. They do have a 100% bonus and this may be part of the reason. But it is pretty bad they would not go in-depth with you about how they actually calculate everything.
Do a search for full tilt within the forum and you can read some other opinions on their program. They are the same feelings as I have.
THat’s a pretty lousy return.
:eh:AS has been mentioned though – a 100% match bonus on first deposit will eat into the first play through of the player.
I can’t really help – I don’t think that I’ve ever managed a conversion for them …
However, I do have an idea for you instead of dropping them – use them …
… I have rated their site as bottom of my poker reviews – which makes all the other sites look a lot better as I’m prepared to say what I feel. And it makes me put their poor affiliate program to good use too ..
:laugh:I see tons of advertising for full tilt poker on blogs and also some sites. They must have some great deals because at this point it doesn’t seem to pay well to give them much attention…
All I can say is that we push Full Tilt quite a bit, and while it was very slow going when we were starting out with them (we made $2.19 in our first month), it has definitely paid off for us over the long term. You have to be extremely patient with them though; their bonuses kill your net rake at the beginning.
I agree…you have to be patient with Full Tilt. Their player bonuses are high, but that does attract a lot of new players. I do know of some high profile sites that also have pulled Full Tilt.
We do well with them…they are worth a try. But realize you need to attract a good deal of players to make it work.
Just my 2 cents
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Any program you send a good deal of players may appear that your doing well with them. For me, I look at the total amount of rake generated and then look at what I made from that rake. I then compare the amount made with Fulltilt to another program, meaning if I generated $1,000 in rake and made $89 with full tilt, I am making 8.9% of the net rake, not their 20% as advertised. If I generate $1,000 in rake at absolute, I make $250. Thats the bottom line. If I recall someone else said in another post that full tilt charges 100% of the bonuses to the affiliate. Well I would have no problem with that if I earned 100% of the rake but I don’t and its not playing fair. What would be fair is that they charge you 20% of the bonuses like other programs do. Same goes if it is true that they charge you 100% of the payment fees. It should all be relative to your % but it is not, they pass every fee they can on to the affiliate and they keep all the gravy. I also think if your players don’t purchase in the first 60 days you lose them for life. Not very fair, are they begging for affiliates not to work with them. They have one of the lowest commissions in the industry, and if they were more forthcoming with all their bs fees, I don’t think they would have any affiliates signing up because not only do you not make the 20% as advertised which is the lowest in the industry anyway, you make even less than that with all the fees. I think perhaps affiliates get too deep with them before they realize the real deal, and then they don’t want to throw away the player base that they have built so they just take it up the ass. Maybe I am exaggerating a bit as I suppose after the initial bonuses are out of the mix, maybe some affiliates do fair with their 12-15% of the rake, but to me that is just an illussion. If you have $30,000 in net rake for the month and you make $5k, then no one can argue as that is good money and affiliates think they are doing well, which I guess it all depends on how you look at it. For me I am not thinking about the $5k I made but instead the $2500 I lost by not sending those players elsewhere. Perhaps the big affiliates work out a special deal to eliminate these bs fees, who knows. I am not quite there yet to negotiate deals as I don’t have much clout, but I will be curious to test the waters when I do have a little more clout to see what I can and cannot get. I kind of look at it like each player I send is a product that I own. And if all these programs want to buy my product, why would I want to sell to the lowest bidder. Perhaps it is not as cut and dry as that because there is something to be said with poker rooms that have the ability to retain your players which full tilt certainly does, but then you just have to weigh the pros and cons and make the right decision. Its all about the money babe. Full tilt does have a lot of appeal as you can log in any day of the week and play or watch the pros, and we would all have the dead nuts with them if they would just come a little more correct with affiliates. Every decision you make in this business is critical. I think I had a total of 12 players with full tilt when I finally pulled them, and if these 12 people are avid players, over the course of the next few years there is no telling what I cost myself in revenue by sending them to full tilt. Maybe its not much, but it could be thousands. I have to constantly remind myself what it was like to pull a 40 hour week and take down a few hundred lousy bucks, and when I remind myself of this I find myself treating every decision delicately and I can only pray it was the right one.
Bonusgeek, excellent & valid points. I am going to dig into our numbers a bit deeper and see what the “true” percentages are with FT.
Have had a 120×600 banner posted in a AAA position on my front page for over 30 days with NO result. at least according to the email reports I have received. So, to the back of the bus for them. Next stop, to the curb!
The 2.00 for 119 dollars in rake is not typical. There are deposit fees and also bonuses are deducted from totals. Maybe 1 of those players made 4 deposits that month, and really ate into your net.
In any case, in the first month I made 7 dollars at FTP but these days I gross about 1500 a month.
I’m currently getting less than 5% MGR for the month from Full Tilt Poker. Largely base on points used. I’m talking hundreds of dollars in points used here. who are they to say what the stuff in their store is worth. We’re being charged a retail number while they are getting the crap at below wholesale. FULL TILT IS A JOKE!!!!!!!!!!!!
does anybody have any sites to compare it to? i.e. link on same page, similiar amount of players etc… The reason I ask is they give a deposit bonus so perhaps it takes time to clear to show a profit – or is the site just completely a rip off? is anybody happy with them?
