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I can only offer this advice; always pay closest attention to the bottom line. Does that program make you more money in your top spots than the rest at the end of the day?
Stay in touch with the rest of us and report when a program isn’t performing. It may help spot a pattern which is seldom hard to discern once you have some others to compare.
The best way to keep a handle on whether you’re getting treated fairly is to stay in touch with the people that visit your site.
even a few people can help you to catch programs that aren’t tracking or that aren’t giving you credit for residual income.
It has been admitted by the manager of one of the larger programs (or they used to be anyway) that anywhere from 5% to 20% of our tracking is lost.
Since that’s a considerable amount in itself (at least on the big end); it leaves IMHO little room for shaving which is why it is so apparent when it’s happening.
also beware:
Often a program will start out well and then you’ll see them fall off. This is because they wanted to get exposed to your player base, so you start out well and then they screw you.
One way to put a stop to this tactic that I have been trying to get others to fall in line with; is to put a small area on your first page that would start out with something like this
“Casinos not popular with the public”
“Casinos nobody stays at very long so avoid them before signing up”
if everyone adopted that policy these programs that like to follow the practice explained above; would think twice. A lot of damage can be done when a casino is noted on several or many websites as one to avoid. Especially when front page exposure is given. People remember and when it is seen on more than one site; it reinforces the memory and doesn’t take long before the effects are felt.
This would basically serve to counter-act any positive gain the casinos/programs would gain by getting exposed to so many player bases at one time. Yes they’d gain some players that would stay, but is it worth the players they are going to lose down the line by having all this bad publicity?
I think not. That doesn’t mean this would clean up all the corruption thats out there, but it would sure stop any intelligent person from using the above method as a way to get ahead at the expense of us affiliates.
Because this practice is becoming an out of hand problem we affiliates face; and so far there has been little done to counter-act the problem except that we affiliates DO take down their links of course; but that doesn’t stop the players we’ve already lost or change the fact that a large portion of your regular surfers will have been exposed to them by that point.
Seeing the casino on many sites adds credibility to their name. Seeing anything negative on your site about the casino does the opposite effect. Casinos know this and respect the implications.
up until now little is done to counter-act the problem so it remains a favorite way of screwing us by unethical people. We need to bite back and once we’ve done this once or twice, the “bait and switch” tactic will quickly fall into the past.
there’s my 2 cents.
Often a program will start out well and then you’ll see them fall off. This is because they wanted to get exposed to your player base, so you start out well and then they screw you.
Yep. Been screwed a lot this way. I have very little patience anymore.
I put programs on a diet of a couple hundred clicks a month. If they don’t produce, they move down, not up.
A few will rise from the rubble and I will give those more exposure and do well. The rest stay where they are – on a strict diet, sometimes on complete starvation.
I like very extensive stats. I like them real time. I like them to be consistent throughout. And I hate typing in dates.
So are you having these problems or am I checking my stats too often
Yep. I am having those problems. And you are checking your stats too often.
It’s a disease, you know!
Anyone notice anything quirky about fortune affiliates stats lately? I haven’t had a visitor in a couple of days, and their stats keep changing in the depositors and players fields.
Also, seems to me I get all my players in the beginning of the month and then practically nothing new for the rest of the month – this is with a lot of programs.
I haven’t notice many returning players, either.
This is across the board.
Fortune is working on their stats and should debut a completely new set next month. They have been working on these for around a year now, and they are supposed to be super. I am curious to see. Meanwhile, yes, things do diosappear and reappear miraculously at this time. I have asked for complete logs though in the past and they are always accurate in the end.
No returning players – this is something I see increasingly also – and it is starting to make me very suspicious.
Some of this is the bonus wars – high bonuses motivate players to switch casinos a lot. With the insecurities of the US market, some programs consider player acquisition to be the same as buying email addresses and are out to get as many American addresses as they can.
The trend as of late to seeing lots of downloads (address collected) and bad conversions and no retention is making me quite unhappy.
Thanks, Dom. That helps alot.
Yeah, I see the same trends as you mentioned, BB1 and Com – programs starting off with great conversions, then dropping off. It is very suspicious.
Oops…Com = Dom. Sorry about the typo. Stayed up most of the night working on a net site.
And here I thought you had promoted me and I am now the Commish.
Hi,
I really think this problem can be nipped in the butt by giving these programs a good dose of eye for an eye.If you left them up in good spots for a 2 months. put them in a box at the bottom of your front page stating “avoid these casinos because they have proven low player retention; so why waste your time?”
anything like that. Trust me the word will spread to the right people and though it won’t likely change the ways of that program; once it becomes evident that a lot of bad publicity is going around, it certainly will change the thinking of every program to come along after that.
I have given this long thought and this is the only way I can think of to counter-act the damage done by giving these programs great spots that later screw us.
I’ve tried the limited exposure routine and have found that as a way to sucker myself in further. Things go well so I increase exposure. I usually peak about 4 months into the deal and by 6 or 7 months the program in question is sucking air.
Its extremely frustrating because its like having given up your virginity to a player. Nobody likes to be taken for a fool.
But the truth is that its these programs that are the fools; but that isn’t proven until way, way later, usually about a year to year and half before you see that the casino in question has fallen to the back shelf of most portals.
but by then they can justify their actions because they’ve managed to land enough players to generate enough income the programs can begin paid advertising and still show a profit.
But what do you think the results would be if these same casinos were given as much negative exposure as positive? you wouldn’t have to say anything bad about them except the stark naked truth. They don’t retain players so why should players waste their time (and your resources) to join a casino that they’re going to never visit again?
Its doing your players a service; yourself justice; and setting precident for future new programs coming out that we won’t be walked all over without a fight.
I have enough gumption to do that.
Lets synch it, let each other know which programs are giving us the business just enough to suck us into giving them top billing, then sucking air.
And we’ll give them the bad publicity they so rightly earned.
It won’t be hard to spot them. We’ll all be signing up for some program that somebody said was doing good for them (and I’m sure they did do good for them…. at first)
and then one person will start the ball rolling and you’ll see a post something like
conversions at program ZZZZ…
and we’ll all be able to put it together from there.
we could start by independently contacting their support; which by then will likely not respond; but it should be done that way anyway.
tell them that if things don’t pick up the following month that they will find themselves on the “don’t bother” list.
I run a guarantee of sorts and so my “don’t bother” list is called
“at the end of 30 days these casinos will no longer be covered by my guarantee for one reason or another”.
I am getting ready to put up the Sands and their group in this area. There are a couple of other places that aren’t far behind if they don’t make a big turn around sometime soon.
Ok.
I’ll find an angle that’s unique – for this new category on my site.I can’t quite agree with putting focal click there, if the criteria is once produced then went into a puff of air, cuz they never produced for me.
lol
