Hi all,
seriously …. we can agree to disagree and lets not lose one more member to politics or mis-understandings.
I have greatest respect for both parties here who may know whom I am speaking about …
and I have not read all your correspondence but I very truthfully believe that you both are too defensive with the other (and that may be because of something I missed but I beg you both to let whatever that was pass because most times your both pleasant enough)
…. and Gam … I want to work for you. … I think its ever since that remark about the boots and the lipstick but I would deny on my application form that had anything to do with it. 
… I really do dig everything I”ve heard or read about O and I totally agree with Ant.
IN fact this the first time I’ve felt upbeat and my usual optimistic self since hearing about MGS … I guess I can survive if O is willing to fix all that W has screwed up …… because its a lot more than most of us probably have a clue.
for instance ….. he’s not done yet .. did you know he did away with all the coal mining restrictions off of mountain tops ?
something like 700 streams just in one state have been ruined forever because of what they have termed “clean coal” …
and I stumbled upon that. it didn’t make first page news that I saw. (maybe it did, i don’t read a lot of news).
but you get my drift. This incredible A-HOLE obviously has no respect for environment (because its too slack as it was before bush did away with things) … no respect for his children and most importantly his grandchildren …….
those kind of people I have little to no respect because if you don’t respect your grandchildren’s right to a planet that isn’t so polluted you need to carry oxygen with you … then you’re a sad SOB (and I had stronger choice of words than SOB but out of respect will not write them here).