Thank you for enlightening me. I think I understand now. Basically a person will add keywords to their text web site and set them to to the same color as the background, thus viewers cannot seem them but search engines can. Very clever never heard of this before. I was worried I might have done the same thing by accident. So how does one find hidden text on a web site I find the whole thing stupid. It could help me because when my forum is up and running I don’t want the same thing happenning to me. Plus it would be useful to know for link exchanges. You are always great help and I deeply appreciate it. Greek39