Search engine optimization is fine and even white hat seo crosses the guidelines of some of the larger search engines. So I dont want to tar and feather webmasters who are doing standard SEO to acheive rankings at Google or Yahoo.
Black Hat Seo on the other hand is deplorable and generally entails theft of content or an outright attempt damage the position of others in the engines. If thats what Mak is talking about then I have no problem discussing that here in the Blackhat area.
Mak can you supply several sites that you feel are doing Blackhat and let us know what methods you are referring to?