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the funny thing is that i had a post on GPWA and Universal the admin keep deleting the link showing this thread … well this is funny … i will make sure Universal4 people will see this. If you want war too you’ll get it.
I suppose that John(Christian) complained and threatened to take the fees they pay GPWA away unless they deleted the post.
I have not worked with this program since I have never had any trust in them.This strong arm tactic is a bit over the edge & a bit unprofessional. I am sure they can find a much more professional way to deal with this issue.
yeah , the problem is that the steal in stats from the start. well i have my post back there but still this program needs some attention. its a waste of time people !
Most of the Rivals are a waste of time! There are probably 3 that I can market without feeling like my players are being untagged or money is not being withheld from me…
Tehsik –
First off, let’s get the facts straight on this issue. I’m not taking any sides, but there is some missing information.
1) You were paid a “fee” upfront, in which you were expected to deliver results to the program
2) The expected results were not delivered to the program, OR, were not tracked properly, and they asked for a refund
3) You have refused to give them a refund, because you did spend traffic/time/money resources to generated traffic, that may or may not have been trackedQuestions:
1) Were the expected results established upfront? For example, did you determine up front how many players were expected to be delivered and/or from what markets? If so, it would help to post some proof of that.
2) Do you have any agreement/contract in place with any specific claus that covers payment policies?
3) Can you or anyone else validate the tracking issues that are happening with BestPayPartners?
4) Was this mobile or email traffic you were sending?It’s important that you brought this issue up, but let’s not turn things into a pissing match. It sounds like things got a bit personal in your communication, but I will tell you now that we don’t tolerate personal attacks against anyone on CAP, members or affiliate managers, no exceptions.
Lets focus on getting some more information so affs can make their own judgement.
1. I got paid for services (i don’t do free work anymore in this industry!)
2. From my history with other partners I know that i have to had players that will come in.
3. I’m 100% stats not working
4. Man when you use several mailing lists and you don’t get clicks you put answers. I told them after to check their affiliate program and they ask for refund. Man when I setup casinos on my site i work right ? so when I ask for that fee is for the Service I give to them. I do email marketing , ads and so on . So when I spend Money and see no results I’m starting to ask questions. On this program the problem was with tracking and I didn’t focused anymore and in the end I took them off. But No refund, Who pays my hours worked on their side? Mailings which i sent and so on ? Who?
5. This program has several attacks from affiliates and just saw on affiliate guard dog or whatever that name is. so please stop chasing rabbits.
6. I do promise players and if i don’t deliver i still keep the program under my website, but in the same time i start checking and whats wrong, if i still see that there is something dodgy i terminate the contract immediately. In their case their boss pissed me off and this made the process faster.
7. I know that with some old programs its much harder to get players but I’m 100% sure that if i use my mailers on one program they will get between 50-80 new registered players (If It’s USA especially) from the first sent.
Plus there is the site traffic, couldn’t get a damn click and so on.
anyway they pulled over after 2 months, and then i sent mailers too for european traffic.. and believe me could get nothing.. These are the worst stats ever. And i end it here. This program is terminated from my eyes FOREVER.Anyway the main reason is that i stopped using mailers on their side and the lady got angry. Why ? If you explain that to me you are the best !
Have a nice weekend ! going to holiday for 1 week
The GPWA used to mean something. Regardless of forum politics, its foundations were always for the best interest of its members and i-gaming affiliates. When Corfman (aka casinocity) got his hands on the GPWA, much like APCW, all that went out the window.
Now it’s nothing but a money grabbing, commercial entity, who only cares about numbers and fattening its bank account by using and abusing its member base trust.
Current gpwa.org Meta Description
Gambling webmasters working with each other and with reputable online casinos and gambling sites to earn more money as affiliates.When an affiliate forum gives carte blanche to its sponsor programs, looks the other way when these programs conduct unethical actions and don’t protect the best interests of our affiliate community on a whole, then it’s about time places like this are kicked to the curb and affiliates walk out en masse.
As for Universal, I used to have a lot of time for him. I considered him one of my mates (buddies). However after a few incidents at the GPWA which he chose to sit on the fence over, instead of having my back (as I’d done for him), it became clear, his alliances lay with the GPWA. Who as I’ve said, don’t give a toss about their affiliate members.
Edit: The GPWA have run numerous Private Forum Votes to strip sponsorship. However when these votes return a “YES”, and, if it’s a program which makes Corfman/GPWA/APCW/casinocity etc. etc., money, Corfman uses excuses to keep the rogue affiliate program as a GPWA sponsor.
If that doesn’t raise red flags and tell affiliates who the GPWA care about, nothing will!
PS Food for thought… Without affiliate members and the support they give by posting, signing up to sponsor etc . etc., places like the GPWA et al would be ghost towns.
@tehsik 252857 wrote:
1. I got paid for services (i don’t do free work anymore in this industry!)
=> You got paid 400$ as an agreement of pre-payment, which means, we pay you, because we trust in your idea as webmaster that you will be able to manage to bring in this case at least 1 or 2 Real signups that will convert to Depositing players, which never happened as we all know now (after 5 months).
2. From my history with other partners I know that i have to had players that will come in.
=> According to history with other partners, you are already known as rude fraud in the industry: Gambling Portal Webmasters Association3. I’m 100% stats not working
=> Just because your traffic is not working, does not mean that our stats are not working4. Man when you use several mailing lists and you don’t get clicks you put answers. I told them after to check their affiliate program and they ask for refund. Man when I setup casinos on my site i work right ? so when I ask for that fee is for the Service I give to them. I do email marketing , ads and so on . So when I spend Money and see no results I’m starting to ask questions. On this program the problem was with tracking and I didn’t focused anymore and in the end I took them off. But No refund, Who pays my hours worked on their side? Mailings which i sent and so on ? Who?
=> Stick to the question, did you deliver the expected amount of real players/FTDs?5. This program has several attacks from affiliates and just saw on affiliate guard dog or
whatever that name is. so please stop chasing rabbits.
=> Stick to the question – was there an agreement/contract in place that covers the payment policies?6. I do promise players and if i don’t deliver i still keep the program under my website, but in the same time i start checking and whats wrong, if i still see that there is something dodgy i terminate the contract immediately. In their case their boss pissed me off and this made the process faster.
=> Stick to the question – can you or anyone else validate any tracking issues with BestPay Partners?7. I know that with some old programs its much harder to get players but I’m 100% sure that if i use my mailers on one program they will get between 50-80 new registered players (If It’s USA especially) from the first sent.
Plus there is the site traffic, couldn’t get a damn click and so on.
anyway they pulled over after 2 months, and then i sent mailers too for European traffic.. and believe me could get nothing.. These are the worst stats ever. And i end it here. This program is terminated from my eyes FOREVER.Anyway the main reason is that i stopped using mailers on their side and the lady got angry. Why ? If you explain that to me you are the best !
=> Stick to the question -was this mobile or e-mail traffic you have been sending?Have a nice weekend ! going to holiday for 1 week
Let me give a conclusion to this one:
- Casino operators and dear colleagues, never do pre-payments even if you intend to support the ideas of other webmasters within our industry especially not, if they have skype names like: “cashmeplz”
- Dear Webmasters, thesik – you too – Please never ever request a pre-payment if you are not 100% sure, you will be able to deliver, otherwise just go for a very effective CPA, RevShare or hybrid deal, that will work for everyone on long term.
- To all “Rival doubter’s” out there – stop weeping already and promote your brands with your kind of traffic you can deliver, if it works for you, i am happy for you and for the labels you are sending too. The fact is, that we are currently the biggest Rival operation out there, that is happy to work with an amazing pool of Affiliate Partners, Affiliate Networks and Media Partners/Networks. Don’t be the jealous guys but share the success with us, as we share it with you.
- BestPay Partners is in 2013 known as one the best best converting and paying Affiliate Programs within our industry for markets: France, UK, Spain, Italy, Germany. With conversion rates up to 80% and player values far above average our partners know why they are working with us.
@BestPay-Partners 252877 wrote:
Let me give a conclusion to this one:
- Casino operators and dear colleagues, never do pre-payments even if you intend to support the ideas of other webmasters within our industry especially not, if they have skype names like: “cashmeplz”
- Dear Webmasters, thesik – you too – Please never ever request a pre-payment if you are not 100% sure, you will be able to deliver, otherwise just go for a very effective CPA, RevShare or hybrid deal, that will work for everyone on long term.
- To all “Rival doubter’s” out there – stop wining already and promote your brands with your kind of traffic you can deliver, if it works for you, i am happy for you and for the labels you are sending too. The fact is, that we are currently the biggest Rival operation out there, that is happy to work with an amazing pool of Affiliate Partners, Affiliate Networks and Media Partners/Networks. Don’t be the jealous guys but share the success with us, as we share it with you.
- BestPay Partners is in 2013 known as one the best best converting and paying Affiliate Programs within our industry for markets: France, UK, Spain, Italy, Germany. With conversion rates up to 80% and player values far above average our partners know why they are working with us.
Tehsik decided to post his grievances to a public forum and as the other party, BestPay Partners, you have the right to comment.
In so far as saying how great the program is, your not going to say it’s cr#p, even if it is cr#p or worse dodgy, are you. So anything you say about the program is a moot point.
This is not the first time an affiliate has experienced issues with the affiliate program “BestPay Partners”. And, by the unprofessional manner in which you’ve chosen to take pot shots at people who don’t like Rival…sheesh, I’m sure it wont be the last time we hear about how cr#p your program is and why we shouldn’t do business with BestPay Partners.
@BestPay-Partners 252877 wrote:
Let me give a conclusion to this one:
- Casino operators and dear colleagues, never do pre-payments even if you intend to support the ideas of other webmasters within our industry especially not, if they have skype names like: “cashmeplz”
- Dear Webmasters, thesik – you too – Please never ever request a pre-payment if you are not 100% sure, you will be able to deliver, otherwise just go for a very effective CPA, RevShare or hybrid deal, that will work for everyone on long term.
- To all “Rival doubter’s” out there – stop weeping already and promote your brands with your kind of traffic you can deliver, if it works for you, i am happy for you and for the labels you are sending too. The fact is, that we are currently the biggest Rival operation out there, that is happy to work with an amazing pool of Affiliate Partners, Affiliate Networks and Media Partners/Networks. Don’t be the jealous guys but share the success with us, as we share it with you.
- BestPay Partners is in 2013 known as one the best best converting and paying Affiliate Programs within our industry for markets: France, UK, Spain, Italy, Germany. With conversion rates up to 80% and player values far above average our partners know why they are working with us.
hahahaha yes this is my skype and i have it since i was 15 yeasr old … Mr Sven , pardon … Stern. Well as you can see they really have a problem …. and it’s personal .. my skye OMG … u make me laugh .. olalala
)))people never use your casino lists on them, and get ALL THE BANNERS DOWN FROM YOUR WEBSITES! Worst thing that can happen to you is BEST RUBBISH PARTNERS!
@bonustreak 252835 wrote:
Most of the Rivals are a waste of time! There are probably 3 that I can market without feeling like my players are being untagged or money is not being withheld from me…
Could you tell me the 3 Rivals that are worth wile working with?
Would be really appreciated :music:@casino360.eu 252907 wrote:
Could you tell me the 3 Rivals that are worth wile working with?
Would be really appreciated :music:I am going to say those that are with Deckmedia. (Desert Nights, Slots Capital etc). Although me personally will not promote Rival at all due to the actual company.
As for the reply from Best Pay
@BestPay-Partners 252877 wrote:
Let me give a conclusion to this one:
- Casino operators and dear colleagues, never do pre-payments even if you intend to support the ideas of other webmasters within our industry especially not, if they have skype names like: “cashmeplz”
Who are you to tell others how to do business? and who gives a stuff what someones skype name is.
- Dear Webmasters, thesik – you too – Please never ever request a pre-payment if you are not 100% sure, you will be able to deliver, otherwise just go for a very effective CPA, RevShare or hybrid deal, that will work for everyone on long term.
Blame the webmaster? did you do any research at all before you made the pre paid payment? It only takes 5 – 10 minutes. Plenty of programs will do pre paid payments and not many complain.
- To all “Rival doubter’s” out there – stop weeping already and promote your brands with your kind of traffic you can deliver, if it works for you, i am happy for you and for the labels you are sending too. The fact is, that we are currently the biggest Rival operation out there, that is happy to work with an amazing pool of Affiliate Partners, Affiliate Networks and Media Partners/Networks. Don’t be the jealous guys but share the success with us, as we share it with you.
Jelous, I wouldn’t promote Rival if you pre paid me $10,000. As for the biggest, you are definitely pumping up your own balloon.
- BestPay Partners is in 2013 known as one the best best converting and paying Affiliate Programs within our industry for markets: France, UK, Spain, Italy, Germany. With conversion rates up to 80% and player values far above average our partners know why they are working with us.
Not sure who is promoting you guys, obviously those who do not do their research or care about the players. A quick search shows me that your casinos have more than enough complaints about them and are on plenty of “Not Recommended lists”.
Your attitude here screams at me and says to stay the hell away from this program, not to mention the threats you make. You are not going to last too long speaking to business partners like this.
You know the funny thing was that i didn’t wanted on the first time to add this room, i made my re-search, and that lady kept saying come on come on, and i told her you know i will add you room, but for this **** money i will not focus, you will not be a priority but i will do my best and i did.
You can’t make re-search man, i do apps, mobile apps, mailing lists and so on, … social media … u can’t track … anyway the problem was that i wasn’t sending mailers anymore on that programs so they got nervous. what i couldn’t understand is this: why shoud i send if there’s no good stats? and comparing them to another Rival casinos it was like from hell to heaven … the bottom line was they wanted me to send – and i said NO. then both sides got angry. after this incident took place i was 100% stats are crap.….is how can you pull my personal information and password from Facebook on your page when I haven’t even allowed your app to do so?
Is this my actual Facebook password or is it a Dark Pattern method of directing users to submit their actual password as ‘confirmation’ because they think you do actually have their password already?
If I have allowed it because I clicked on the link in your CAP signature, then it was done without my knowledge and should be removed.
I really don’t like this and it would put me off ever joining or registering through your links as a user.
Otherwise I quite like your site.
