- This topic is empty.
-
Posts
-
Warren, I am sure your explanation is appreciated and as they say there are two sides to every story. What you said here is consistent to what I have previously heard and helped me as well others put parts of the giant jigsaw together. My interest in the recent happenings at CAP of solely been from a business perspective and concern for the right ROI for the clients I represent. Not dissimilar to youself I also am a businessman and as such need to look after the best interests for myself and of course the clients I represent.
@WarrenCAP 198667 wrote:
You will be seeing a lot of positive changes at CAP in the future, including, but not limited to:
– Changes to CAP Certification
– Free speech approach allowing members to speak their minds without unjust banning (several were already unbanned at the time of this posting)
– Termination of hostile CAP efforts, such as the T&C alert monitoring and CAP audits.
– Evaluating the establishment of an independent “Advisory Board” consisting of influential members that will help ensure CAP makes the right decisions in the best interest of all.I would like also to see within the changes at CAP to be assured a guaranteed ROI for sponsored program listing. What are you doing to expand CAP and expand the presence of the programs who sponsor CAP and help them get new affiliates? Currently I see any additional effort to recruit new affiliates is done by more additional sponsorship. Personally I would like to see this abolished or it makes it hard to justify the large media spend at CAP.
I am sure several programs here will give you a second chance, but take heed of what has been said, and the money programs have spent here.
Warren,
Thanks for posting your viewpoint on the actions of the last few months. I obviously can’t comment on the internal CAP wranglings and personalities, ownership squabbles, management direction, and pending lawsuits that have been going on – and that will probably still continue for some time. But this more detailed explaination for your side is a start.I’m also aware that you and the other shareholders walked along with your eyes open as CAP engaged in some quite ruthless and predatory behaviours regarding other affiliate sites and initiatives. While your candour now is welcomed – saying MEA CULPA is a start – but it does not change the fact that you’ve gone along with the direction for an extended period.
Legal threats, unsubtle direction of programs to avoid competitors, and a whole raft of very dubious business practices. This would appear to me to be much more than one man’s direction and all the officers at CAP need to take a long hard look at prior behaviour.
However, putting aside past issues …
It’s good to see a committment from CAP / CakePoker that all CardSpike affiliates will be paid all outstanding monies.
The suggestions that you’ve outlined will also engender some goodwill, especially if the search for the advisory board is cast far and wide to include some of the quality people – even if (and perhaps especially if) they’ve been vocal in the recent outbursts and discussions around conflicts of interest.
People like Casinomeister, J.Todd, Michael Corfman, Dominique, Jeremy Enke who all have a great standing within the affiliate community and their inclusion could do a lot to speed up the healing process. There are many other good candidates too.
Having suitable representation from the programs would also be a good idea to try and reflect the new balance that CAP is aiming for as an industry marketplace and business portal.
We all understand that fees are charged and money is required to make the whole thing operate, most of us are business people too, but the communial voice seems to be speaking clearly … MAKE YOUR BUSINESS PRACTICES TRANSPARENT.
Of course there will be some outstanding ill will, and to be quite frank it’s likely that most people (myself included) will probably put the whole organisation very much on a trial basis to see if these changes can be implemented.
I used to like to come here to do business, keep abreast of industry issues, and swap experiences with fellow affiliates. I’d like that experience again in the future.
:hattip:In all m time here I only ever saw the caring from Lou and Dom even when someone needed to yell at me it was never you? Will be an intersting time no doubt as I will watch the interaction from yourself in this place but I dont see the effort anywhere near what Lou has done in the past.
@Simoneaton 198673 wrote:
Warren, I am sure your explanation is appreciated and as they say there are two sides to every story. What you said here is consistent to what I have previously heard and helped me as well others put parts of the giant jigsaw together. My interest in the recent happenings at CAP of solely been from a business perspective and concern for the right ROI for the clients I represent. Not dissimilar to youself I also am a businessman and as such need to look after the best interests for myself and of course the clients I represent.
I would like also to see within the changes at CAP to be assured a guaranteed ROI for sponsored program listing. What are you doing to expand CAP and expand the presence of the programs who sponsor CAP and help them get new affiliates? Currently I see any additional effort to recruit new affiliates is done by more additional sponsorship. Personally I would like to see this abolished or it makes it hard to justify the large media spend at CAP.
I am sure several programs here will give you a second chance, but take heed of what has been said, and the money programs have spent here.
Simon,
The first change I would like to make is to our “certification” — I fully realize and admit that there is no validity here and it is nothing more than a sponsorship opportunity. I envision us changing the actual sponsorship to something like “Featured on CAP” or “Listed on CAP”. Secondly, I would like to develop an actual, unpaid certification for programs once they are listed; it is my goal to offer something transparent and of true value to affiliates. It will be more complex then a simple “stamp” and will offer some individual insight into what a program’s strengths are.
In terms of additional value to listed programs, this is one of the primary reasons why we brought Bob on. I understand CAP has grown to over 100 programs and the value has somewhat diminished. Bob will be tasked with revamping our offering and ensuring there is additional, unpaid value for all. I also see your concern with the paid additional sponsorships and I am placing an immediate halt to that as well. We also plan on offering an incentive to the programs which choose to remain at CAP, although the falloff of others is almost inevitable at this point.
Warren
@allfreechips 198676 wrote:
In all m time here I only ever saw the caring from Lou and Dom even when someone needed to yell at me it was never you? Will be an intersting time no doubt as I will watch the interaction from yourself in this place but I dont see the effort anywhere near what Lou has done in the past.
My goal is to be active when appropriate and needed, and to assist in keeping things productive and relevant. I will rely on an elected, independent group of industry experts to set the overall tone and direction of the community, with the assistance of the rest of the CAP staff.
Warren ,
I hope you realise this is your word against Lou in the Official statements .What I will be judging my decision on is THE past 2-3 months when you guys were lying to people , threatening lawsuits and threatening anyone who got close to the truth.How do you expect us to stick around when it is clear you and Lou are about to take the gloves off with each other.Like it or not he still owns a substansial part of this business and He is the person The community most identities with.You have shown how trustworhty you are .I will be over at GPWA if anyone wishes to catch up with me .Signing off
Casinobonusguy
Well Warren it looks like I owe you a public apology regarding the 2 million. That being said I think we have to look at all decisions from two viewpoints. From Louis point of view that money was switched away to a different bank account almost simultaneously with him being locked out of here, I think a lot of people would have jumped to similar conclusions.
Regardless of the fallout between the two of you, I am sure at one point there was some type of bond and synergy between you. Business is business but I think that you both need to remember to treat each other like human beings, and don’t do to the other as you wish not be done to you.
I think to Louis CAP is more than a business so maybe even if you end up buying him out or giving him a severance package in time you can allow him back on board. Even if it is without moderator status. Believe it or not he is an important member of the community. Even with the mistakes that he has made. Even with your mistakes. The mistakes were made together and that cannot be forgotten.
I also think that even if you battle it out in court, you have to be fair to the other person. If this is being done for the better of the business, and he has only done what ‘in his opinion’ are the right decisions then that has to be factored in. I do hope that you can manage to settle it out of court, going to court is all about who has the biggest pockets. It’s transferring money from both parties to lawyers and that’s never good.
Letting the secrets out of the closet can only be positive going forward.
I will leave it at that.
By your own admission, you are just as deceitful as you CLAIM LOU is.
I was actually hoping one of you was CLEAN!:sarcasm:
You are both liars by your own admissions.
I’ll give you some credit though.
You guys don’t just screw everyone in the INDUSTRY, you SCREW yourselves too!!!!
Pathetic!NOBODY in this Industry should have to deal with bold face liars. EVER!
You can check me out of here.:hattip:
Make me your FIRST NEW LIE under your new policy of not deleting, altering or banning anyone!
Any Webmaster or Affiliate program that continues their support here or at PAP must be totally NUTS!
Goodbye, and Good Riddence!:mad:@WarrenCAP 198667 wrote:
– Termination of hostile CAP efforts, such as the T&C alert monitoring and CAP audits.
When I read this post about 8 hours back, the text was:
“- Termination of hostile CAP efforts, such as the T&C alert monitoring and CAP audits. Instead, we will partner with folks who already do this well, such as AGD and APCW.”It is not a good sign that you start “a lot of positive changes at CAP in the future” with a censor, even if it is only self-censor.
_______________________________
Nandakishore
Online Casino Newsroom
Online Casino Newsroom – Deutsch
[URL=”http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=40866780886&ref=mf”]Facebook Group[/URL]
Link exchange welcome. PM me.I didn’t see that. I assume that’s a pretty hard thing to promise without talking to JTodd and Andy first.
If they are willing, that would sure be nice.
My goal is to be active when appropriate and needed, and to assist in keeping things productive and relevant. I will rely on an elected, independent group of industry experts to set the overall tone and direction of the community, with the assistance of the rest of the CAP staff.
This could be good or bad. It’s a bit vague. For me personally, a lot will depend on how exactly this is applied. I am not enamoured with Affiliate Media staff “assisting in setting the overall tone and direction of the community”.
I do like the “elected, independent group of industry experts”. I think, lol. I have a lot of thinking to do. I would like to see a distinct separation between who runs the community and who runs the business. I don’t want the business arm to set the overall tone and direction of the community in any way. I think, from a community member’s point of view, that’s where things ran afoul.
@WarrenCAP 198667 wrote:
– Free speech approach allowing members to speak their minds without unjust banning (several were already unbanned at the time of this posting)
I hope this is also valid for Lou. That is a must if this forum is to have a standard in free speech approach comparable to GPWA, AGD, GIA or Casinomeister.
_______________________________
Nandakishore
Online Casino Newsroom
Online Casino Newsroom – Deutsch
[URL=”http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=40866780886&ref=mf”]Facebook Group[/URL]
Link exchange welcome. PM me.@Nandakishore 198711 wrote:
I hope this is also valid for Lou. That is a must if this forum is to have a standard in free speech approach comparable to GPWA, AGD, GIA or Casinomeister.
I agree. I would love to see Lou as a community member again. He has tons to contribute.
But not if this will turn into a boxing ring for Affiliate Media. Internal company issues need to be handled internally and not spill over into the community and cause havoc among us.
There is a difference between free speech and fights and flaming. I do not like flaming, and I always try to break up fights asap. This is a business forum, and we need to deal with our own businesses, not Affiliate Media’s.
I like the idea of an elected group, seperate from the marketing arm entirely, running the forums. Bannings, locked threads and all that jazz go through the group first.
@Nandakishore 198711 wrote:
I hope this is also valid for Lou. That is a must if this forum is to have a standard in free speech approach comparable to GPWA, AGD, GIA or Casinomeister.
I think thats pretty stupid, and do you really think they are going to unban him after all of the sensitive company information he has been posting? Though he may have contributed a lot at one point, he has now become a serious threat to the business and if you were in Warren’s shoes would you unban him?
Warren,
I think you have a VERY difficult task ahead of you and though this apology took far too long, I think it at least somewhat of a start of heading in the right direction. I think if you really want to turn this site around you should consider adding EVERY affiliate program (regardless of whether they are CAP sponsored or not). Let the affiliates here decide which are the best rooms and rank them accordingly. Then have paid listings which like when you do a google search will show up before all of the unpaid ones. Set a CAP (no pun intended) on how many paid sponsors you will accept, and make sure that every single one of these rooms is receiving a good return on their investment. Certify unpaid rooms if the affiliates feel they are safe to work with and treat their affiliates well with 0 complaints (even though you aren’t getting paid). Start working for the affiliates and use your industry influence to help resolve problems, even if it is about one of your paid rooms. Add something to the terms of a paid room that if they act unethically then they will be screwed. Stop taking money from crooked corporations like Chipleader who has been caught several times screwing their players. Ethics should be your number one priority before the almighty dollar… let the greed go. Though you don’t have the best track record now, its never too late for you to really turn this around. Good luck!
@Dominique 198702 wrote:
I didn’t see that. I assume that’s a pretty hard thing to promise without talking to JTodd and Andy first.
If they are willing, that would sure be nice.
Warren has indeed spoken to us about audits and lifted the ban on APCW.
