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Great idea!
I know I would participate, just for kicks and giggles :cuss:
and I’d look forward to reporting you immediately Simmo, and Professor, and Dominique, and anyone else who I thought had a user base worth catching.
:shhh:Not that any one of the people mentioned above are/were blackhats but I only need one charge to stick .. and it’s easy street.
Just call all exisiting affiliates witches (blackhatters) – send them to the witch hunter inquisition – who will always find some evidence of something somewhere – and wait for the new money stream to roll in …
:huh2:Why would I (or anyone) bother marketing anymore?
Which is why this vigilantee system will never work.
:bored:TheGooner wrote:Which is why this vigilantee system will never work.
:bored:But we already do it?! We’re talking about getting the major SERPS spammers here, not the occasional errant page. Over the past few months we’ve reported quite a few to Google and the Aff Programs. It’s just a more formalised way of doing it. But yes, the need for specifying what constitutes wayward Black Hat is important.
It’s exactly why Google’s spam reporting tool exists. And if they can differentiate, then I don’t see why an arbitrator couldn’t?
Their income should be donated to gamblers anonymous or something like that.
And I think it would be pretty easy to see that I am not a blackhatter.
Or perhaps use that money to create more incentives for affiliates?..
But I also like the idea for GA..
I like the idea…
I wouldn’t mind setting up a domain for this and doing a public ‘announcement’ on the site about who each BH’er is and even allowing them to comment on it.
I think it would be interesting and help us clean up the mess. I’m in for whatever help I can give.
Simmo,
the weakness in your approach is that google defines gambling as evil
(read “the google story” for an excellent insight into the way they operate, which really impressed me).they are working to get search engine spam in all segmnets, however, highlighting casino spam works against everyone as it is relatively easy for them to turn off casino words from the SERPs and specifically all gaming related terms. I dont think they will but why highlight this?
asking affiliate programs to opine whether an automated technique that games the search engines is black hat or not appeals to subjective metrics which i dont think should be allowed to work. Black hatters are only using weaknesses in the algorithms of search engines. To make this forum, the ultimate arbiter of whether a site games the Serps or not, is to overstate the significance of this forum.
I understand the fuss about scraping because that is ethically wrong, but whether someone is black hat or grey hat or white hat and “deserves” anything more than the next person because they might be more white hat is an argument that I dont buy into.
rgs
Devendra
Wagershare has a webmaster referal program:tooconfus
I don´t agree with the notion that everything is relative and that bhs are just exploiting a weakness in the algorithm. Email spammers were also exploiting a weakness namely the absence of law enforcement. It became much harder for them as soon as e-mail spam became illegal in a lot countries. I for one would definately kill every bhs site if I could.
Spamdexing is not ethical and it hurts others and on those grounds I will fight it any way I can.
I should have qualified the above by saying I am 100% white hat but that I respect the guys who find chinks in the google armour for their bloody mindedness. It is not a sustainable model imo.
I think the algorithms are getting better all the time and if pluto didnt rock them out then then next update will.
Goldfinger I just like wagershare a lot :woo-hoo: (and I realised that everyone else had footers but I didnt)
Dominique your point about spamdexing is taken.
While it’s a great idea, I’d worry that the blackhatters would find a clever way to ‘prove’ that their sites had the stolen content published first, so we’d lose more than our SE positions.
blackhattersexposed.com.
What do you think? What if there was a site where all the information was published on what each blackhatter was doing? A place we could go to to and direct the affiliate programs to for information as well.
Fergie: I guess I was primarily concerned with the “obvious” black hat sites like one of the many I found today…one example:
xhttp://online-texasholdem.ionline-poker.com/archives/Air-Conditioned-Knock-Poker.html
I think devendra has a very valid argument in that the search engines have loopholes which people are going to exploit until they are tightened up although I don’t think Google will penalise everyone as a result of spam reports personally. However, I’m not suggesting an all-out war against all black hat techniques, just the glaringly obvious ones as in the example above.
Sure, if over time it gets more intricate…but for now, the big obvious bastards are the ones to tank
If we were to do something, I’d like it to be done via the CAP forums in the first instance rather than via an external resource. Would be more valid, get more input, more focused.
I would make an extensive blackhat sites with all your aff urls
then report you lolJust like google cant really deem links to your site bad as your cometion can clearly make you look evil
Simmo! wrote:If we were to do something, I’d like it to be done via the CAP forums in the first instance rather than via an external resource. Would be more valid, get more input, more focused.The bottom line is that it doesn’t matter who is screaming foul play if the program (and others) don’t truly care about ethics. If the common goal is met, it shouldn’t matter who has initiated the first blow.
It is the programs who hold all the power, they can either stand for fair play aka fair business standards and enforce those morals on ALL of their partners or they can mope and dope around talking BS. Finally some of us are coming to realize that it is our duty as professional and ethical individuals to only promote programs representing our views and to call out those that don’t.
