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Disgraceful, these aff progs need sorting out quick.
Sigh, I have been waiting for Wager Junction to integrate some properties on their site and was going to give them a push then.
Now I read this, and I also understand that we do not get paid for players referred to/through the instant games section at Solomons.
Is this retroactive or are existing accounts exempted? Are we looking at a third breach of contract? Maybe it is time to look more closely at the law.
Yes it looks like we need a list of “tricky” T&Cs, as well as a list of rake back pokers.
Any volunteers who want to put it together?
I am about to build a casino site. Even though I have signed up with most of the programs years back I do not want to throw my money into a black hole.
Is there a list somewhere with casinos that treat their affilites fair? I mean
:shooter: NO retroactive changes in T&C.
:shooter: NO cutting rev-share players after a certain period of time
:shooter: NO requirement to send new players in order to recieve payments from already sent players
:shooter: NO cheating players (no gambling alliance and stuff like that)
:shooter: NO placemant in some banana republic so I have the possibility of legal actions if they screw me over
:shooter: NO financial difficulties so they can afford to pay their affiliates AND spend $20 mill on payed advertising.Which programs should I pick?
Thx
This is just plain crazy!!
Hopefully that last bit regarding the “sole discretion” clause will get explained by WJ as that sounds a bit dubious as it is worded currently. But 25% is still a fair percentage and it doesn’t mention “retro-active” application if the rule, which is a key point to get clarified IMHO.
Regarding the list, its a good idea but i think it’s equally important to get statements from other Aff programs on how they are situated which needs to be on the list. We need to understand what could happen but also accept terms can change. If a program will categorically state that any changes they apply in the future will NOT BE RETRO-ACTIVELY applied then i will feel much safer. As it is, I am starting to spread my eggs among several baskets as I’m starting to think we’re regardded very much as a means-to-an-end by some.
Wasn’t it Greg’s place? hmmmm, :rasta:
Well I decided to start a list of good poker programs and also good casino programs. If I need to add anything or change something email me or pm me.
http://www.casinointernetaffiliate.com/affiliatelist.htm
I haven’t added any casino’s as of yet. Anyone nominating any casino’s to be added to the list?Scandle5 wrote:Wasn’t it Greg’s place? hmmmm, :rasta:Yup still is – i emailed him about this thread to get some clarification but he may be off at the mo. He wasn’t too well last week when we spoke.
Guys
I think you all know me quite well and i think that you all know that i speak to affiliates and obtain views but at the end of the day i am just like yourselves in that i need to maintain WJ as a going concern.
Let me explain my motivation for the changes in the terms and conditions
Number one: Please note that the 35% Commission level is for webmasters who are referring traffic and players to Wager Junction partner sites. If no traffic and no players are referred net revenue commission will be dropped to 25% until such time that the next purchasing player is referred. We like to reward our partners but need to ensure that we remain a viable proposition and are rewarding the partners that are promoting us.
I think that my reasoning is quite clear and there is nothing ambiguous about that, if you want to promote me i will pay you at 35%, if you do not want to promote me then you drop down to 25% as you are not marketing me. This occurs at 90% of affiliate programs but they merely put it in monetary terms which means that a major proportion of webmasters will not get to 35% anyway. Please can you explain your objections to this in more detail and i will certainly take a look at it and come back to you with a response.I think that my model is better -if you are sending me traffic and players you get 35%, if not well you still get 25%
The second point that was raised
Wager Junction will only make payments to active affiliates; an active affiliate account is defined as an account which has generated a minimum of 1 new paying customer for the casino clients of Wager Junction within a 3 month period. If an account does not meet these requirements, at the sole discretion of Wager Junction management, future commission payments may be withheld.”I did think long and hard about this and essentially this is not something that we would ever enforce, it is merely in there as a buffer or some sort of protection upon reflection it does not look to good and i will remove it. I think that the former point basically states myt position so this is somewhat superfluous.
Terms and Conditions change, just like the environment that we work in these thing always change, I am going to tell you right now what my next insertion is going to be in the Terms and Conditions
Partners our program in dispute with regards to the Copying of Material or Sites will be subject to an investigation by the program. The findings of the program will be passed on to a Partner Council and the ruling of that Council will be final. In most cases any and all funds generated by the offending party will be paid to the party harmed as compensation.
Any volunteers to be a part of the first Partner Council – I would like to propose 5 Partners and they would specifically adjudicate on Partner Disputes and Changes in Terms and Conditions and any other material changes on WJ in combination with ourselves.
That way more of you have a say in what is going on at the program. Let me know what you think regarding that.
Dom with regards to the KS landing page, i have finally won my battle with the powers that be here -they need to be educated as well in the way of the partner, and I will have a landing page dedicated to the casino only by Friday afternoon for my affiliates.
Guys at the end of the day i have managed to persuade the owners that the Affiliate model is the route to follow to get players and value to the Casinos.
They have in the most part followed my recommendations and we have made great strides and will continue to do so together. This is not a process that ever finishes, there is always more to do and sometime we will disagree but for me communication is the be all and end all of this relationship.
Tell me what you want upfront and we can discuss
Now any volunteers for the Council – Ken what about yourself
:bigsmile:Regards
GregLooks a fair proposal there Greg, and an overview would be you are simply asking for one new player per Month and no one would be affected? Its a pity you are doing this AFTER affiliates have signed up, but you do have to make a profit and affiliates can as usual vote with their feet, should they find your new terms and conditions not agreeable.
I love the part about you paying the funds from site copiers income to the injured party that is pure class and something which needs addressing, which you are prepared to address.
Just my two cents
Hello Rooster
Thank you for that ,i think its fair ..I just want to clarify our position
I am not even asking for one new player per month.If you have traffic any traffic even if it does not convert ,you will continue to get this rate .At least i know that you are attempting to promote me ,but if there is for some strange reason no conversion then you will still get the 35%
I will clarify the term and condition with that .I dont want you to feel that i am looking to penalize people ,that is not the case at all ,i am merely looking to reward my partners and the guys that promote me.
I do believe that people will see the common sense and practicality in this arrangement.
Some Affiliates have told me that my timing is shocking coming hard on the heels of other changes ,i say, i know that,nothing has changed for me then :woo-hoo: but what i am doing is not window dressing or hiding behind what other people have done recently.I dont think that we will change the T&Cs ever again after this to be quite frank and hopefully wil lnot need to.
Guys ,ive made an offer to get a forum going here and again there is no mention of it .Yes or no please ,do you want to be involved in future decision making or not .Let me know.
I am always happy to listen and learn and take in advice
Regards
GregI signed up with WJ but I don’t think I’ve ever sent a player their way, so this is more a comment on the whole situation than specificaly about WJ.
Many of the casinos on the net wouldn’t be around if it wasn’t for the affiliates, they probably wouldn’t have lasted 3 months. When a lot of these places opened the CPM’s for ads were skyhigh and the only way they could get some advertising out there was to use affiliates or have a huge ad budget (which we know many didn’t have when starting out)
Now that they’ve gathered a strong player base using affiliate’s ‘free’ advertising (and other advertising systems have now come down in price) they’re trying to offload the now expensive affiliates.
We have all done the donkey work for these casinos for years (and have been paid well for it) but now they are starting to reneg on their lifetime player payments agreements and we need to do something about it.
As for Greg’s post. I will welcome the removal of the non payment to inactive affiliates clause. This not only breaks they’re aggrement with affiliates but was also terribly worded (I hate those clauses which are unclear or ‘will not be used, but are there to protect us’).The other clause change about reduced payments at first looks reasonable but isn’t this just the thin edge of the wedge? Once they have made one major change to the T&C will they not feel like they can make further changes at a later date? This one also helps keep us in line for those future changes, if we don’t like a change that is made later then this clause will reduce the payments of those who protest by removing links.
I agree with croupier on all counts, including speaking about this situation in general, and not specifically.
Wager wrote:I did think long and hard about this and essentially this is not something that we would ever enforce, it is merely in there as a buffer or some sort of protection upon reflection it does not look to good and i will remove it.That’s good.
Others have recently said that they put things in contracts that they would never enforce. In that case, the regular business world just saves a little breath and leaves those things out of contracts. Imagine the funny look I’d get if I produced a contract and said the same in front of a business partner’s lawyer.
Croup hit the nail on the head…
These retroactive changes do tend to be predatory in nature and are only employed by established casinos with large exisiting player bases.
Shame on you programs that jump on this shitty bandwagon :rasberry:
Kudos to the partners that dont go for the quick buck, but instead stand by their affiliate partners. In the long run YOU will be the real winners :hattip:
