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Some affiliate programs won’t do anything for small affiliates, much less negotiate a better % with them. So IMO many small affiliates just don’t even try to negotiate, they just take the better deal. I have been trying to get a unique bonus code for over a month from a program, that has given them to other affiliates, for an offline promotion and have gotten nowhere, so I just gave up and contacted another program. This happens when you have no leverage.
I don’t think any decent program would decline a marketing camapaign based on bonus codes once they are presented a plan. Unless they don’t want more players which i doubt
While I don’t disagree with your statement, why should an affiliate be forced to submit a plan to get the same thing as other affiliates, especially if he/she is not asking for a special deal or concessions? It doesn’t matter either way. The fact is that it’s a business and the correct business decision is to take care of the affiliates bringing in the most players. Once again, leverage.
I thought you were asking for a special deal on your bonus code and they decided to give it to other affiliate.
The thing with big and small affiliates is relative. You can’t only have few big affiliates. Many small affiliates can earn more then few big ones and offer more branding to the room.
Also every affiliate have to be small before becoming bigmihai wrote:and offer more branding to the room.Ha! So true.
I can think of one program that is about to learn this the very hard way. The small affiliates who make little or no money for you are giving you tons of free branding. Branding is hard to do in this business climate anymore.
Tossing small affiliates aside is very foolish indeed.
Tossing small affiliates aside is very foolish indeed
Funny you should say that, I am right now fighting with a RTG program that we are bringing good money too and the neg roll over is killing us! I have heard from others out there that some RTG programs will agree to drop that neg carry over if you have 40 to 50 plus depositing players, which we have and I am sick over the fact that we have brought in enough rev this month to have earned $800 plus BUT of course we have a neg from someone cashing out 2 months ago of 3 grand, dead fish and a waste of our time since Vegas Lucky will not work with us they are coming down from the sites.
Wager Profits drops the negative rollover each month and players all love Breakaway casino.
Don’t waste your time with places who don’t remove the negative rollover for you. Ask them nicely, and if they won’t, move on.
That’s like throwing money into a dark hole.
Yeap your so right when I emailed Paul at Wagerprofits and asked him he removed it all for me that very same day! I know there are a few good rtg’s out there and I will be dealing with them and only them from now on!
Good job bonusstreak! Glad to here at least some of it worked out for you!
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This thread came round to what i was going to add anyway
Its all about the relationship. If a program treats me right, seems friendly on the pnone and pays 20%, I’d take that over a program I don’t feel comfortable with earning 30%.When an aff program treats me fairly and with respect, I respond well to that.
Cheers
Simmo!
bonustreak wrote:Funny you should say that, I am right now fighting with a RTG program that we are bringing good money too and the neg roll over is killing us! I have heard from others out there that some RTG programs will agree to drop that neg carry over if you have 40 to 50 plus depositing players, which we have and I am sick over the fact that we have brought in enough rev this month to have earned $800 plus BUT of course we have a neg from someone cashing out 2 months ago of 3 grand, dead fish and a waste of our time since Vegas Lucky will not work with us they are coming down from the sites.I would like to clarify the above situation. “bonustreak” is concerned that we did not immediatley erase the negative carry-over when they asked. It is important for everyone to know that my last email to “bonustreak”, did say that we can consider negotiating the negative carry-over when the “situation changes”. I want to also explain that the negative carry-over has been erased in specific situations with affiliates.
It is unfortunate that some affiliates use posts either as trying to leverage negotiations or even as a threat.
Vegas Lucky has been very fair with affiliates, and payouts have been prompt and for many affiliates, extremely profitable.
Another important point, is that Vegas Lucky gives 40% commission, which is one the highest of RTG casinos (if not the highest). That is why negative carry-overs are not automatically erased, but looked at on a case by case basis (for smaller amounts).
Lorne
[email protected]Very intersting post. Looks to me like if you had worked with Bonustreak you would have kept a decent affiliate but you chose not to. As far as using posts for leverage, Bonustreak didn’t use the post as leverage, they are pulling your banners as leverage.
One of the best things I gather from this board is seeing how affiliate programs treat their affiliates. If you won’t negotiate with an affiliate who sent 40-50 depositing players, that is a rather clear indication that you are not someone I would like to work with. And then choosing to post your “unfortunate” statement just cements my thoughts.
You mentioned in your post that the negative carry-over has been erased for some affiliates. Maybe if you could enlighten us with the situation that one would have to reach to get this treatment it would help others understand what needed to be accomplished.
Hello Lorne,
CAP does not allow anyone to use it as leverage to make a program act against it’s own T&Cs. And we certainly do not allow threats. This is professional board. I resent the implication.
Each program is entitled to set it’s T&Cs as they please and enforce them too.
Comparing Program T&Cs is a useful tool for affiliates. We are all in business here. If the conditions at program A are better than the conditions at program B, that is a fact and I see no problem with stating it.
Every program is welcome to add facts to any discussion. You are more than welcome to do so as our guest, and you will be treated courteously.
The fact is that some RTG programs carry over negatives, and some don’t. There is nothing threatening in stating this fact, nor is a factual statement of this kind an attempt to gain leverage.
Lorne don’t come here and try to make me look like a liar, you think I would post something I would not have the backup to prove? You know don’t even get me started with your program because I have plenty of friends that can come here and post how your screwing them too!!!
From : Vegas Lucky
Sent : Thursday, June 23, 2005 4:07 PM
To : chris xxx
Subject : RE: acc-141| | | Inbox
Christine,
The issue appears to be that the players you are sending have low “value”. If you drive traffic and get signups, but the players only deposit small amounts and use all available coupons, their value drops.
So we cannot do anything until that changes. Sorry.
Lorne
Does that read to you that you were working with me? No it is a half assed excuse that happens to be a lie, while they may be small depositors they have deposited enough for me to have earn $800 bucks!!
Don’t worry your off of one site and on your way down at another today too!
:Pisser:
Dominique wrote:Hello Lorne,CAP does not allow anyone to use it as leverage to make a program act against it’s own T&Cs. And we certainly do not allow threats. This is professional board. I resent the implication.
Each program is entitled to set it’s T&Cs as they please and enforce them too.
Comparing Program T&Cs is a useful tool for affiliates. We are all in business here. If the conditions at program A are better than the conditions at program B, that is a fact and I see no problem with stating it.
Every program is welcome to add facts to any discussion. You are more than welcome to do so as our guest, and you will be treated courteously.
The fact is that some RTG programs carry over negatives, and some don’t. There is nothing threatening in stating this fact, nor is a factual statement of this kind an attempt to gain leverage.
Thank you Dominique for your feedback. But, do your T&Cs include civility?
