Thread: Wager Profits Affiliate Payment Issue. Please assist.

I was checking my notes about outstanding payments and found than Wager Profits owes me $13,146.27.

My story is:

During the 2007 -2008 I contacted an affiliate manager named Paul several times asking him about the payment, he even promised me to pay.

But then he left the Wager Profits.

The new manager (Shaun) explained me that they will not pay since Wager Profits have changed owners!!

Stay away from Wager Profits!!!

Sooner or later they will change the owner and steal you money!

Maxus

You post is 100% in correct, i have never said that we will not pay you.

I have tried to contact you so many times via email every email bounced back, i also tried to contact you at least 10 times on the telephone number you have on your Wager Profits account.

I wanted to get this sorted out but as i was unable to get in contact with you this was not possible.

My contact info is below please add me so that we can sort this out.

Shaun

Originally Posted by Maxus

I was checking my notes about outstanding payments and found than Wager Profits owes me $13,146.27.

My story is:

During the 2007 -2008 I contacted an affiliate manager named Paul several times asking him about the payment, he even promised me to pay.

But then he left the Wager Profits.

The new manager (Shaun) explained me that they will not pay since Wager Profits have changed owners!!

Stay away from Wager Profits!!!

Sooner or later they will change the owner and steal you money!

Hi Maxus

I have sent you a private message and an email via CAP, i dont really want to discuss your payment in public so please contact me via email, msn, skype or if you want we can discuss your payment in public, as i say please contact me ASAP.

Thanks

Shaun

Originally Posted by Maxus

I was checking my notes about outstanding payments and found than Wager Profits owes me $13,146.27.

My story is:

During the 2007 -2008 I contacted an affiliate manager named Paul several times asking him about the payment, he even promised me to pay.

But then he left the Wager Profits.

The new manager (Shaun) explained me that they will not pay since Wager Profits have changed owners!!

Stay away from Wager Profits!!!

Sooner or later they will change the owner and steal you money!

Hi Guys

I wanted to add a further post to this thread, as the original poster did not / will not add the true facts and I feel that the name of the thread is harsh and that the conetnt is not correct and factual.

Yes we do owe the affiliate money but not the amount stated, in short the poster was an affiliate of two casino sites we purchased prior to us buying the sites the previous owner sold us there assets and we did not buy there debts, the previous owner owes the poster a very larger percentage of the $13k.

Once this was bought to my attention via post on cap in May 2007 I emailed the affiliate 8 times every time the email bounced back, i tried to contact the the affiliate on the telephone number provided 4 times and the number provided was incorrect.

I can confrim that until the post on CAP a few days I have never been in contact with this affiliate meaning I have never stated that Wager Profits will not pay.

I am in the proccess of working with RTG to get the report for the period of time the affilaite worked with us this will enable me to confirm how much is owed and then we will make final payment.

I feel that posts of this nature are harsh and can damage a companies name within this industry.

Thank you



Shaun

Thank you Shaun,

I trust that you are doing all that you can, in order to help get this issued resolved, as I believe that you do your very best for us affiliates so hopefully all will go well in this situation.

After your second post I was sure we both are going to discuss the matter in private. Anyway you decided to break our agreement and post another message before we came to any deal.

Ok! lets start!

Originally Posted by PayNoRake

... the original poster did not / will not add the true facts ...

Dear Shaun, the only fact in my post that was not true - mentioning you name , but now I'm sure it's true, I just could not prove that it was you who decided not to pay. As we agreed I have asked Dominique to edit my post (to delete you name).

Why did you name appear in the post? Because I had an email from Ingrid:
"Paul no longer works with us. However, our Accounting Manager does know
about your case and he just explained that the payments you are referring
to correspond to previous owners and unfortunately we can
only take responsibility starting in July 2006."

Also in you last PM's you stated that WP will not pay me $13,146.27. And now you write in you post about "true facts"?

Now, after exchanging PM's with you I can prove:
"The new manager (Shaun) explained me that they will not pay since Wager Profits have changed owners!!"

I lost a lot of money with RTG programs in the past, and never paid much attentions to it. But after WP's affiliate manager Paul contacted me several times asking me to bring new players a question had raised - where is my money for players I had brought before?

Paul promised me to pay on 02-09-2007, 11:55 AM in his PM on CAP

Originally Posted by wagerprofits

Hey there Max,

Figure I have is $13,146.27.

Thanks for the forms. I will confirm everything's in place.

Paul

Shaun! I don't care if WP bought debts or not! It's not my business how WP is changing owners!
But your affiliate manager promised to pay me $13,146.27!

Originally Posted by PayNoRake

... I emailed the affiliate 8 times every time the email bounced back, i tried to contact the the affiliate on the telephone number provided 4 times and the number provided was incorrect.

I don't care how many times you have tried to reach me! Not answering you emails is not a reason for taking my money! You had enough time to count how many times you have tried to reach me but no time for looking into the matter.

Our contract is: bring players - get money. By the way, why did not you try to PM me via CAP?
The most of gambling webmasters and affiliate managers know it's a fast way to reach people in our industry.

I'm sure that not paying your affiliates and not following your promises

Originally Posted by PayNoRake

... can damage a companies name within this industry.

By "your promises" I mean promises made by affiliate managers from WP.

Max

I asked you a number of times if would repost and to date nothing until this post, all I posted was an update, you have to understand by having the CAP seal we have to be honest and upfront I work with a lot of affiliates that post on CAP and they will have an interest in what happens with you.

So I guess you now want to make this public. I have no issues with that as Wager Profits has nothing to hide.

I will make comments/reply to all of your comments below:

Your comments:
Why did you name appear in the post? Because I had an email from Ingrid:
"Paul no longer works with us. However, our Accounting Manager does know
about your case and he just explained that the payments you are referring
to correspond to previous owners and unfortunately we can
only take responsibility starting in July 2006."

Wager Profits
In the email Ingrid sent to you she stated we could not pay on players that you sent prior to our ownership, this is correct and I stand by what she said, If you bought a business for it assets and not it debts you would not pay there debts off and it is the same in this case. I will pay you for any traffic that you sent after July 2006.

YOUR COMMENTS
Also in you last PM's you stated that WP will not pay me $13,146.27. And now you write in you post about "true facts"?

Wager Profits
The figure of $13,146.27 is the total including what was owed to you prior to Playsafe SA taking ownership of the casinos, I feel I covered this in my last comments but I will cover it again, we bought the assets only of the company and not the debts, if you would like me to provide you with the contact information for Jeff the old owner I can do this and you can then take up the additional funds owed with him.

YOUR COMMENTS
I lost a lot of money with RTG programs in the past, and never paid much attentions to it. But after WP's affiliate manager Paul contacted me several times asking me to bring new players a question had raised - where is my money for players I had brought before?
Paul promised me to pay on 02-09-2007, 11:55 AM in his PM on CAP

WAGER PROFITS
I am sorry for your previous losses with RTG casinos, as for Paul's comments I spoke to the current owners and this had never been approved, Paul's contract with Wager Profits ended several months after the post you quoted, I never directly worked with Paul so again I can not really comment on his post.

YOUR COMMENTS
Shaun! I don't care if WP bought debts or not! It's not my business how WP is changing owners!
But your affiliate manager promised to pay me $13,146.27!

Wager Profits
I am sorry to say but it is very much your business if we bought the debts, reason being you are owed a huge amount of money from the previous owners.
As stated above Paul never worked for me as I joined the company in Jan 08, Paul's contract ended in Dec 07, I do not understand why Paul even agreed to that figure with you as we did/do not owe you that kind of figure.

YOUR COMMENTS
I don't care how many times you have tried to reach me! Not answering you emails is not a reason for taking my money! You had enough time to count how many times you have tried to reach me but no time for looking into the matter.
Our contract is: bring players - get money. By the way, why did not you try to PM me via CAP?
The most of gambling webmasters and affiliate managers know it's a fast way to reach people in our industry.

Wager Profits
The reason I have tried to contact you so many times is to explain the situation to you, and I can assure you 100% that I looked in the matter from start to finish, I would not be posting in public if I had not looked into the matter.
As for not contacting you via CAP this is very simple, we gave up the CAP seal around April 2008 so that I could rearrange Wager Profits and get the company into a stronger position, if a company gives up the CAP seal they also loose the right to post and send PMs on CAP, We re applied to CAP for the seal in Nov 08 and we went live on or around the 8th Dec, CAP where kind enough to give me the ability to post in the forums around the middle of November, the reason I did not contact you at that point was and is very simple I did not know your username, so for these reasons I did not contact you via CAP until you created this thread.

YOUR COMMENTS
I'm sure that not paying your affiliates and not following your promises

Wager Profits
This comment it very harsh and not true, please check out the Dec payment thread on CAP we paid all affiliates on the 2nd Dec the only reason we did not pay on the 1st of the month like we do every month was due to a public holiday.
Please review the CAP/PAP/GPWA/PAL FORUMS and find one affiliate that is claiming we have not paid them under my management????
You will not be able to find one, I pride myself and my team in what we do and in my eyes payments are key, I understand you all have business to run staff to pay and bills to pay for this reason I do not screw with people's payments.
As I have stated in all of my posts and all of the PMs I have sent to you I will pay you what we owe you I do not want to keep funds owed to you. We are public traded company which means unlike many others we are accountable, as well as being a public company we carry the CAP/PAP/GPWA and Affiliate Guard Dogs my team and I have worked hard to ensure that we have met the standards that these companies expect and I do not want to have these removed.

I think I have covered all of you comment and questions.

As I have stated I will pay you every $/cent that we owe you form the date the purchase completed. I am not sure if you are aware but our casino sites no longer run on the RTG software meaning we no longer have access to the back end to get the reports, I contacted RTG as soon as you created the this thread to ask them if they could provide the report they have said that they will provide it but it will take time, we are working on goodwill with RTG so as soon as I have the report for RTG I will give you a copy and show how much we owe and I will make payment to as soon as possible.

Once again I am sorry as to how this has turned out I did not want to make it public but I felt for the CAP name and the other affiliates that we work I needed to update them.

Many thanks



Shaun




Paul promised me to pay on 02-09-2007, 11:55 AM in his PM on CAP

Originally Posted by Maxus

After your second post I was sure we both are going to discuss the matter in private. Anyway you decided to break our agreement and post another message before we came to any deal.

Ok! lets start!



Dear Shaun, the only fact in my post that was not true - mentioning you name , but now I'm sure it's true, I just could not prove that it was you who decided not to pay. As we agreed I have asked Dominique to edit my post (to delete you name).

Why did you name appear in the post? Because I had an email from Ingrid:
"Paul no longer works with us. However, our Accounting Manager does know
about your case and he just explained that the payments you are referring
to correspond to previous owners and unfortunately we can
only take responsibility starting in July 2006."

Also in you last PM's you stated that WP will not pay me $13,146.27. And now you write in you post about "true facts"?

Now, after exchanging PM's with you I can prove:
"The new manager (Shaun) explained me that they will not pay since Wager Profits have changed owners!!"

I lost a lot of money with RTG programs in the past, and never paid much attentions to it. But after WP's affiliate manager Paul contacted me several times asking me to bring new players a question had raised - where is my money for players I had brought before?

Paul promised me to pay on 02-09-2007, 11:55 AM in his PM on CAP



Shaun! I don't care if WP bought debts or not! It's not my business how WP is changing owners!
But your affiliate manager promised to pay me $13,146.27!




I don't care how many times you have tried to reach me! Not answering you emails is not a reason for taking my money! You had enough time to count how many times you have tried to reach me but no time for looking into the matter.

Our contract is: bring players - get money. By the way, why did not you try to PM me via CAP?
The most of gambling webmasters and affiliate managers know it's a fast way to reach people in our industry.

I'm sure that not paying your affiliates and not following your promises


By "your promises" I mean promises made by affiliate managers from WP.

gentlemen, shlomos, xxxxxxxxx, oh...affiliates & managers! can you please sort this out in private?

i beg you to stop embarassing yourself. when you get down there, it doesn't make you look any sweeter! of course i can always come down with a sickle...ooh yes...commie style

I am trying to sort this in public, i felt that the CAP users needed to know what is happening.

Shaun

Originally Posted by splinterfree

gentlemen, shlomos, mother****ers, oh...affiliates & managers! can you please sort this out in private?

i beg you to stop embarassing yourself. when you get down there, it doesn't make you look any sweeter! of course i can always come down with a sickle...ooh yes...commie style

Splinterfree, can you please post without the cusswords, this is a professional board.