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    #700283
    Anonymous
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    Some great quotes there

    The Justice Department official said any implication that it considers casual bettors’ actions illegal under federal law was “probably unintentional.”

    and …

    Legal analysts said it is unlikely federal prosecutors will target individual bettors, in part because the government prefers to leave prosecution of such cases to the states. And, like New York, few states explicitly bar the casual bettor from wagering online. Even in Washington state, which recently made it a felony for a person to gamble online, state officials said it’s unlikely they would prosecute casual bettors.

    and …

    “It is politically difficult or unwise to go after consumers if they’re not significant gamblers,” said Bill Eadington, a professor of economics who runs a gambling-research institute at the University of Nevada, Reno. “One can make a case that if an individual bettor is moving hundreds of thousands of dollars, he may be a target.”

    That should ease of lot of players fears … let’s hope that this view gets more coverage and endorsement !!
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    #700305
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    I am seeing Lawrence Walters quoted in a few places. Does anyone know if he is being more proactive about attacking this issue, or is he just a source of quotes?

    #700411
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    Walters is a lawyer in the industry. He’s not a lobbyist.

    Marc Lesnick
    Conference Organizer
    Casino Affiliate Convention
    http://www.cac2006.com
    Sept 14-15, 2006
    Las Vegas

    #700614
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    I know who he is, my question was if anyone knew if he was doing anything more proactive with regard to these issues, or maybe if he has issued any sort of opinion(s) lately.

    #701943
    Anonymous
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    Here is new article I found today its also a good read.
    http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/business/20060813-9999-lz1b13theline.html

    They quoted Larry
    “Lawrence Walters, an attorney who specializes in Internet gambling, is dumbstruck at the arrest of Carruthers and is unconvinced that the legal action will stand up.”

    #701953
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    ACtually – that’s quite a negative article – with a lot of losing quotes.
    But one thing I read struck me …

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    She was intrigued by a mailer promoting the Web site Casino Classic.

    The site, which is based in the Mohawk Territory of Kahnawake, Canada, offers first-time players $500 to gamble with and allows players to keep whatever profits they make after playing for an hour.

    While Talley said she ended up pocketing $200 in winnings after the first hour of play, her luck quickly turned sour and now she owes the site a large sum of money – money that she does not have.

    Are they saying that she somehow bet on credit? I doubt that she owns a cent to her casino … so is this whole story just made up?

    #701957
    Anonymous
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    “But one thing I read struck me …”

    Gooner
    Me to !

    I don’t think that Rewards would ever do that to a player
    She was just at the right place for an interview to wine to the public about her bad fortune IMHO

    Brad

    #702233
    Anonymous
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    I never saw so much BS.

    How can she owe them money?

    That just does’nt happen, online casinos don’t give you credit, what a load of bull.

    Maybe she ran up a credit card and now needs a scape goat.

    As far as Larry the Lawyer goes:

    http://www.winneronline.com/articles/august2006/lawrencegwalters1.htm

    #702239
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    Article from NevadaAppeal.com.

    Feds cracking down on Internet gaming

    http://www.nevadaappeal.com/article/20060813/OPINION/108130074

    Guy Farmer
    For the Appeal
    August 13, 2006

    Today I’m pleased to report that the federal government has finally decided to crack down on the giant scam known as Internet gaming. The federal crackdown on gambling Web sites became public through indictments issued in St. Louis, Mo., early this month against seven officers and employees of a Costa Rica-based online sports book.

    The Justice Department charged BetOnSports.com personnel with racketeering and mail and wire fraud, alleging that they took billions of dollars in wagers from U.S. residents by phone and over the Internet without paying federal excise taxes. The Feds seek the forfeiture of $4.5 billion in ill-gotten gains along with assorted company computers and vehicles. All seven defendants pleaded not guilty and will go to trial later this year.

    A guilty verdict in this case would serve as a warning to other Internet gaming site operators, and would protect the public against unscrupulous, foreign-based Web sites. The case against BetOnSports began in July when the Feds arrested company CEO David Carruthers at the Dallas-Ft. Worth Airport as he prepared to fly to Costa Rica. He was indicted in this case along with Gary Kaplan, a former New York area bookie now living in Costa Rica, and five others.

    Many of these fly-by-night Web sites are based in Central America and on small Caribbean islands in order to avoid the long arm of the law. You toss your credit card number out there into cyberspace and the scammers take over from there. As I’ve written before, if you gamble online, you deserve what you get – which could well be a grand total of zero. Nothing. If you play online blackjack or poker, for example, you have no idea of whether the “house” is playing with a full deck because there simply isn’t any enforcement mechanism.

    And since none of these sites meets the exacting standards of Nevada’s gaming control system (the subject of last Sunday’s Appeal column), our licensees should be prohibited from doing business with them. I know that some Nevada licensees would like to get in on the Internet action but that’s a bad idea any way you look at it.

    In July, the House of Representatives passed a measure designed to choke off the flow of money to Internet gaming sites, which are illegal in the U.S. “There are hundreds and hundreds of these illegal, unregulated, untaxed offshore sites that are sucking billions of dollars out of the country,” said Rep. Robert Goodlatte (R-Va.), one of the bill’s principal sponsors. Revenue at Internet gaming sites has quadrupled worldwide since 2000 to more than $12 billion per year.

    Similar bills have been introduced in Congress for the past 10 years but have been blocked by powerful special interest groups and lobbyists, including the now-disgraced Jack Abramoff, who represented an online lottery and campaigned vigorously against such measures. I was pleased when Abramoff associate Ralph Reed, a darling of the so-called Religious Right, was defeated last month in a bid to become the lieutenant governor of Georgia. Reed, a longtime casino gambling opponent and certified hypocrite, accepted millions of dollars from Abramoff’s Indian gaming clients to gin-up “grassroots support” for anti-gambling initiatives that would have insulated the tribes from competition and increased their profits. Nice, especially if you’re already not paying your fair share of federal, state and local taxes.

    Tribal gaming is another virtually unregulated activity that Nevada licensees, like Station Casinos of Las Vegas, shouldn’t be associated with. Station operates the huge Thunder Valley Indian Casino on I-80 east of Sacramento, which siphons off hundreds of thousands of potential Reno-Tahoe casino patrons from Northern California. I don’t think that’s in the best interests of the citizens of our state, as required by Nevada Gaming Commission regulations, and it’s something our newly elected attorney general should take a close look at when he or she takes office next January.

    Nationwide, Indian gaming revenue grew by 15.6 percent to nearly $23 billion last year with California’s tribal casinos accounting for more than $7 billion worth of that total. If current trends continue, it won’t be long before those nearby casinos gross as much as Nevada’s annual gaming revenue of approximately $12 billion. The joke in all of this is that tribal casinos are allegedly regulated by the same U.S. Bureau of Indian Affairs that managed to “lose” millions of dollars worth of Indian trust funds. The BIA runs the grossly understaffed National Indian Gaming Commission, which has about 50 employees to supervise hundreds of tribal casinos throughout the nation. No way!

    We learned much more about Indian gaming earlier this year when CBS investigative correspondent Armen Keteyian interviewed Wayne Smith, who was in charge of gaming regulation at the BIA before he resigned in disgust last year. Smith told Keteyian that he went to Washington full of hope that he could make a difference for his people, but soon learned how Indian gaming really operated.

    “I had lobbyists … tell me that it was (their) time to make money in the Indian gaming arena,” Smith declared on national TV, adding that Abramoff and other lobbyists wanted “to make a killing inside the BIA,” which they did by charging the tribes millions of dollars for insider access. “They have no respect whatsoever for Native Americans,” Smith concluded. “They’re there to make a lot of money for themselves.” And so it is in the wonderful worlds of Internet and Indian gaming, where some Nevada licensees want a piece of the mostly unregulated action. I think that would be a mistake and urge our State Legislature and gaming control agencies to hold the line against further involvement of Nevada gamers in these shady enterprises.

    #702240
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    ohhh. I could smell the stench of “vested interests” from here.

    I love these quotes :

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    Many of these fly-by-night Web sites are based in Central America and on small Caribbean islands in order to avoid the long arm of the law

    You toss your credit card number out there into cyberspace and the scammers take over from there.

    none of these sites meets the exacting standards of Nevada’s gaming control system

    Tribal gaming is another virtually unregulated activity

    Nationwide, Indian gaming revenue grew by 15.6 percent to nearly $23 billion last year with California’s tribal casinos accounting for more than $7 billion worth of that total. If current trends continue, it won’t be long before those nearby casinos gross as much as Nevada’s annual gaming revenue of approximately $12 billion.

    I urge our State Legislature and gaming control agencies to hold the line against further involvement of Nevada gamers in these shady enterprises.

    Translation :
    I only want people gambling at OUR tables.
    :tongue:

    #702241
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    Revenue at Internet gaming sites has quadrupled worldwide since 2000 to more than $12 billion per year.

    Nationwide, Indian gaming revenue grew by 15.6 percent to nearly $23 billion last year with California’s tribal casinos accounting for more than $7 billion worth of that total. If current trends continue, it won’t be long before those nearby casinos gross as much as Nevada’s annual gaming revenue of approximately $12 billion.



    Do I understand correctly

    1. Indian gaming is twice as big as Vegas/Nevada gaming

    2. Internet gambling will soon be bigger than Vegas if it isn’t already ?

    Can anybody provide the facts on this ?

    #702244
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    Clearly a self-interested article heavily in favor of gambling in Nevada and no where else. Definitely a mix of mis-information and fact to make himself sound like a sane authority on the subject. So who exactly is pushing for a ban on internet gambling? Sounds like Indians and Vegas mostly.

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