My point is not the “terminology” – my point is how this issue should be dealt with. You may not be able to prove 100% conclusively that the affiliate deliberately sent the player – but you will certainly be able to prove fraudulent play by the player.
How do you know that the aff deliberately sent the player? And how much damage can an aff with no live players do to you?
You are going out of your way to take action where none is required, in the process potentially alienating a legitimate affiliate.
My point is that if the player account is closed, and the aff has no players left, you have no problem. If you instead close the affiliate’s account, and subsequently discover that the affiliate knew nothing of the player, what have you got to deal with then?
I understand where you’re coming from – but ultimately a scam without a participant is not much of a scam, is it?
Umm… you’re saying that the aff recirculates his aff earnings back into the system.
A player receiving cashback recirculates his cashback into the system. In this case, the “player” has cashback of ~35%, plus comps, bonuses, etc.
Or – a real player who is not the aff, loses whatever money, you pay the aff a commission of ~35%, which he then recirculates into the system. Plus comps, bonuses, etc.
As far as I know, the net result is the same. The point you are trying to make is that you don’t want to give ~35% cashback, but you are happy to pay out ~35% aff earnings. If the aff subsequently makes an equivalent deposit, you have exactly the same state – and in addition, you suffer additional processing charges, whereas an aff playing on his own account might actually request earnings to be placed into his player account.
Furthermore, if the player cannot sign up through his aff account, he might not play at your casino at all because:
a. He can’t track to make sure the system works properly
b. He can play elsewhere – thus you earn nothing from him as a player.
c. Because he isn’t playing at your casino, he might be less inclined to promote you
I understand that this may not matter to all affiliates – but I do not promote nor recommend any casino I cannot test myself.
In my opinion, it actually costs you less in the long run. However, and I repeat again, I do not have any issue with a casino’s right to block play on one’s own aff account. I wouldn’t even care if you told me I couldn’t earn a percentage off my own player account, so long as I am able to play and test the tracking periodically. By saying one cannot sign up under one’s own aff account – you deny me the ability to do my own testing.
The reason I differentiated is because you cannot offset one player against another in a casino, whereas you can certainly make opposing bets using different accounts in a sportsbook. This is definitely a situation unique to sportsbetting. Your issue is actually different.
The only way the affiliate’s account would be closed for fraud would be if we could 100% prove it. So I think we are arguing about the same thing here :tongue:
There’s no way I would close an aff account unless I was 100% sure.
As I said, i don’t think I can explain the circulating aff commission in the way to show what I mean. I am a natural blonde you know 
We have no problem with an aff signing up under their own account to test the casinos. Once the commission reaches a certain amount though, the account is automatically demapped to prevent the rule in our T&Cs being broken. We allow up to a certain amount for testing, then cut it off.. So no problems there.. I’m not sure exactly how much it is, but I can find out if any are curious.
We also have no problem with the affiliate putting his commission into a player account whether the affiliate’s player account is tagged or not to another affiliate (we actually offer this as a payment method). Paying out the 35% commission is not the issue.. The issue is that it gets circulated so that the amount we are paying is actually much more than 35%, and the amount of bonuses given is actually much higher than the standard 25-35% (including loyalty points), which eventually over time makes them together not profitable for the casino…
I dont know how else to explain this so I’m giving up. If any of the other aff managers want to explain it, feel free.