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A lot of casino webmasters only react when things cut into there income. But dont react when casinos out right steal from players, which will hurt everyone in the end

exactly. And yes Prof, it is already all over the net. After first reading about it i was shocked I hadn’t heard about it here. This happened some time ago.

Besides, she also lives in Nevada, which specifically does not allow online gambling.

well I specifically and violently disagree with any law that invades the privacy of my own home and tells me what I can or can’t do; as long as I’m not hurting anyone else in a direct and present manner. Meaning don’t tell me you have the right to come into my home and tell me I can’t gamble because it might at some point later on hurt my family because we suddenly end up in hard times or etc. I’m talking direct and present physical danger. Everything else the gov can keep the hell out of my business in my home.

But all that isn’t worth a tiddly-wink if I can’t count on the casinos to hold up their end of the bargain and not be intimidated by an entity that is completely outside their jurisdiction and that has absolutely no right to stand outside the casino’s doorstep and chase off customers. If that country has a problem they must deal with it at or inside their own borders.

Which puts the ball back into my court. I’m guilty, … should I decide to turn myself in, because that is the only damn way the gov should know about what the heck I am doing in the privacy of my own home … if I am not some kind of terrorist threat or the like.

So what I’m saying is that its not the casino’s place to enforce the laws of other countries, however it is the casinos place and very much so; to observe the one universal law of gambling, “if you let me place the bet and I won, beating the odds fairly, then you must pay me!”.

This is a real can of worms and just because a lot of folks in our industry have chosen not to address it doesn’t mean it will go away. What is going to happen is another incident will come up, next time perhaps the player will be completely of age, and some bean counter will report to some rocket scientist of a casino owner that they can avoid paying out … $50k if they play the “Oops! you live in Nevada, that’s illegal to gamble, so we’re not going to pay you. However, we’ll cheerfully refund all the money you gambled to us and lost; leaving us with a nifty savings of $48,550. You should have read our T&Cs, it not-so-plainly stated that we …. might pay you, … might not. The one thing we want to make clear is that we don’t have to and can still be viewed as reputable”, card.

That sound like the situation summed up in layman’s terms? Its what I read in all this.

I’m not terribly worried as casino gamblers have already proven they will take risks that would make the average decent poker player cringe. In fact it practically ensures a greater need for sites like mine than ever before,… because rest assured I will be diligent in taking down the listing of any casino or group that ever employs this tactic without hesitation.

Bella Vegas’ little tactic whether it have been to avoid paying (which it greatly lends suggestion by simple math that they knew the girl’s age, or had access to it, long before this cash-out ever was a twinkle in her eye, and they chose to pay her not once, but several times) or by some sort of glitch in the system where her age was truly not taken notice in respect to her locality – but following that line of thinking then it would not have mattered her age since all players from her locality are not legally allowed to play online …

then this multi-billion dollar industry had better spend a few extra dollars and have their software set to not take deposits from these respective localities.

Which ain’t gonna happen. And even if it does… then you will see a sudden rise of the “out-law” casino which I fear will be all that and more … if you know what I mean ….

and the best of these outlaw casinos will pay their winners on cashins to anybody of whatever the casino sets as minimum age will be, likely 18, .. in whatever location they may reside …

and they will be IMHO 100% in the right to do business as such. My attitude would be that hey I didn’t come and force you to play at my casino,… but I will honor the spirit of the game and pay anybody who bets real money and beats the odds.

Its not my place to enforce the laws of other countries, and its not the place of other countries to come to my doorstep and think I’m going to lay down and let them enforce those laws from outside their borders where they have no jurisdiction.