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Hi Guys
I’d like to take this opportunity to say that Wager Profits is very happy to have returned to CAP and be carrying the CAP seal on our site once again.
We’ve been away from CAP for about 6 months. The reason that we left was very simple: we decided that we needed to take a step back and get our house in order. That done, we feel the time is right for us to return to CAP and also join PAP as a new member.
As a company, we have a new team that I would like to introduce to you
Ingrid Runnebaum , who is the Head of Affiliate Support, joined the Wager Profits team in March, 2008. She has been working in the gaming industry for 4 years and brings a vast amount of casino and poker knowledge to Wager Profits. Ingrid will be more than happy to assist you with any support needs.
The most recent addition to the Wager Profits team is Rachelle Chelo Arcinas, She joined us in October, 2008 as an Affiliate Executive. Previous to that, she worked as a project manager at packaged-goods powerhouse, Procter and Gamble. Rachelle will be working with affiliates, who promote Wager Profits, to maximize your profits and ensure that you have all the tools required to make your affiliate site as successful as possible.
We are also working with the Income Access team. So we have both Julia Stead and Jaime Fortunaso working with us to ensure that we offer affiliates the best, and most profitable, program in the gaming industry.
Now, many of you know me already. For those who don’t, my name is Shaun. I head the team as Director of Affiliate Marketing and I joined the Wager Profits in January, 2008.
Wager Profits has changed a great deal in the six months since we left CAP. Aside from the new team, the Wager Profits website has been completely revamped and is now slicker and more sophisticated than ever. Of course, we have still maintained the great backend reporting system that is provided by Income Access, which allows you to report on your players 24/7.
As those of you who attendedBarcelona :
If you have any question about Wager Profits, please feel free to post in the forum or contact me at one of the numbers or addresses below.
Regards:
ShaunJust read this in the t&cs for your EPT satellites:
“By participating in the promotion you grant APN the right to use your name and likeness for promotional purposes without further compensation.”
my question; are u serious? this is disgusting and means a LOT of players won’t play on paynorake (obv you are betting on the trend that they don’t read the T&Cs)..
I was gonna have a crack at them, but after reading that I would rather stick a fork in my eye.
Hi Alexross
Can you tell me why this is such a promblem when we are paying for the package to the EPT?
Why does this stop you from promoting PNR?
Shaun
alexross;190198 wrote:Just read this in the t&cs for your EPT satellites:“By participating in the promotion you grant APN the right to use your name and likeness for promotional purposes without further compensation.”
my question; are u serious? this is disgusting and means a LOT of players won’t play on paynorake (obv you are betting on the trend that they don’t read the T&Cs)..
I was gonna have a crack at them, but after reading that I would rather stick a fork in my eye.
you are paying for bugger all.. the player is paying for entry to the satellite, and has to win the package.
the fact that you think you can use the players’ likeness and name for your ends is totally retarded and -ev for the player. Why the hell should they let u do this?
What happens if they win EPT and get offered a multi million sponsorship deal? Oh that’s right, they wont be able to get one cos your site will practically own them.
fwiw forcing them to wear your branding in the live event is as far as you should go imo.
moral of the story: Read the small print and don’t sell your soul to the man.
Hi Alexross
I have read the T&Cs, lets just look at what you saying again:
By participating in the promotion you grant APN the right to use your name and likeness for promotional purposes without further compensation.
So with that line or any of the T&Cs can you tell where it states:
1. We are stopping them from getting a sponsorship deal?
2. How does this term state that we own the player?
All this terms states is that we (APN) would like the option to use your name and likeness for promotional purposes without further compensation, so if we want to send a news letter to our network telling everybody how great player X did at the EPT we can and we can use his picture, this T&C in no way stops the player from taking a deal with another site.
Shaun
alexross;190230 wrote:you are paying for bugger all.. the player is paying for entry to the satellite, and has to win the package.the fact that you think you can use the players’ likeness and name for your ends is totally retarded and -ev for the player. Why the hell should they let u do this?
What happens if they win EPT and get offered a multi million sponsorship deal? Oh that’s right, they wont be able to get one cos your site will practically own them.
fwiw forcing them to wear your branding in the live event is as far as you should go imo.
moral of the story: Read the small print and don’t sell your soul to the man.
Hmm, This conversation is ridiculous. I am beginning to wonder if your company knows anything about the online poker industry and how it works.
for starters I really suggest you go read up about WPT getting sued by a bunch of their players because of a damn similar hijinx they tried to pull…. Then maybe consider peoples’ right to privacy and not getting exploited. they are paying to play on your site, you’re not paying them anything or doing them any favors. remember that.
what do u need their “likeness” for? You have no right to use their names/likenesses. no other site does this why the hell should they let your site do it. You Might get away with it if you were some megasite like stars or fulltilt (but no, they actually pay players or ask their consent before using them in marketing campaigns.. obviously they can mention usernames, but they can’t use a persons likeness or real name without consent) , but with less than 200 tables and bugger-all tournaments running you are taking the p**s here by adding this clause.
If the next ept winner plays a sat on ur site and doesn’t win a seat, u can still use their name and likeness in your promotional blurbs etc. this is a ridiculous clause, and it was obviously left open-ended like this on purpose, or whoever thought it up is pretty brainless imo. you don’t even mention a timeperiod, or the type of promotional material you can use. it’s so wide open you can do whatever u want.. you didnt mention newsletters in your clause, obviously you leave it as open-ended as possible so you can use their image/photo or whatever on ur site/promotions or even on TV and say they play on ur network. very nebulous wording imo. If you said “we have the right to mention you in our promotional newsletters” that might be ok.
Why can’t they get sponsorship? Well if someone else has the legal right to use you in their promotions, I am not going to sponsor you so I can use you in mine am I? srlsy…
bottom line: pay for the right to use players’ names/likenesses like everyone else does or all the decent/big players wont touch your site. Poker players like their privacy and letting people know that player X = username X on your site is a breach of privacy imo. I’m just glad I spotted the smallprint or I might have been foolish enough to participate.
I added paynorake to my rakeback site yesterday and I am seriously thinking of taking it down due to this and other issues tbh. The fact that you don’t see a problem with the clause is quite worrying tbh.
Alexross
I agree that this is not the best use of both of our times, but you have to understand I am loyal to merchants and if I feel that they have done nothing wrong I will stand up and fight for them.
I am aware of the case with the WPT, we are not stopping any player from being picked up by any brand/poker site all we would like is the option to use them for any future marketing that we might do.
I think it is great that that you have added PNR to your site/s and I do reallyhope that you keep it on them, but can tell me what other issues you have with PNR?
Feel free to PM me or post on the forum as I am sure you can tell I like to be open in what I say and i do not shy away.
Thanks
Shaun
alexross;190242 wrote:Hmm, This conversation is ridiculous. I am beginning to wonder if your company knows anything about the online poker industry and how it works.for starters I really suggest you go read up about WPT getting sued by a bunch of their players because of a damn similar hijinx they tried to pull…. Then maybe consider peoples’ right to privacy and not getting exploited. they are paying to play on your site, you’re not paying them anything or doing them any favors. remember that.
what do u need their “likeness” for? You have no right to use their names/likenesses. no other site does this why the hell should they let your site do it. You Might get away with it if you were some megasite like stars or fulltilt (but no, they actually pay players or ask their consent before using them in marketing campaigns.. obviously they can mention usernames, but they can’t use a persons likeness or real name without consent) , but with less than 200 tables and bugger-all tournaments running you are taking the p**s here by adding this clause.
If the next ept winner plays a sat on ur site and doesn’t win a seat, u can still use their name and likeness in your promotional blurbs etc. this is a ridiculous clause, and it was obviously left open-ended like this on purpose, or whoever thought it up is pretty brainless imo. you don’t even mention a timeperiod, or the type of promotional material you can use. it’s so wide open you can do whatever u want.. you didnt mention newsletters in your clause, obviously you leave it as open-ended as possible so you can use their image/photo or whatever on ur site/promotions or even on TV and say they play on ur network. very nebulous wording imo. If you said “we have the right to mention you in our promotional newsletters” that might be ok.
Why can’t they get sponsorship? Well if someone else has the legal right to use you in their promotions, I am not going to sponsor you so I can use you in mine am I? srlsy…
bottom line: pay for the right to use players’ names/likenesses like everyone else does or all the decent/big players wont touch your site. Poker players like their privacy and letting people know that player X = username X on your site is a breach of privacy imo. I’m just glad I spotted the smallprint or I might have been foolish enough to participate.
I added paynorake to my rakeback site yesterday and I am seriously thinking of taking it down due to this and other issues tbh. The fact that you don’t see a problem with the clause is quite worrying tbh.
Hi Shaun,
Lets say I signed up and won an online tournament on your poker site. Great, you use my name and pic etc etc. Great.
Months later I sign up with another poker site and win a major tournament on their site. Over time I become a major pro player in the online poker world. This company now sponsors me and I am used to promote their poker site.
Now you come along, once I’m famous, with your little t&c’s, and insist on using my name and photo to promote another tournament on your site. Oh great! Now what?
You probably wouldn’t do this but the possibility exists.
Just my two cents worth from a players perspective.
Ixian
I have to say point well made.
Let me have a good think about what you have just posted before I reply to your post.
Thanks
Shaun
ixian;190256 wrote:Hi Shaun,Lets say I signed up and won an online tournament on your poker site. Great, you use my name and pic etc etc. Great.
Months later I sign up with another poker site and win a major tournament on their site. Over time I become a major pro player in the online poker world. This company now sponsors me and I am used to promote their poker site.
Now you come along, once I’m famous, with your little t&c’s, and insist on using my name and photo to promote another tournament on your site. Oh great! Now what?
You probably wouldn’t do this but the possibility exists.
Just my two cents worth from a players perspective.
