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Without knowing all the details its difficult to make a call. But I would post a warning about the seller so that they dont take others to the cleaners too.
I don’t know whether you may success in a suit or not.
Only your attorney can state about.IMO is very hard to know if is a scam or not.
We are dealing with “virtual spaces” in the net, and remain competitive and profitable is a daily task.
It is not the brick and mortar world, where the conditions are more predictables.
I think that even the better sites may fall in bankruptcy very fast without the proper managment, and with some internet conditions changing every day.Lou I sent you PM .I got a box of Harvey Bristol Cream chocolates as a gift , I highly recommend them , I’m getting the sweats after 5 chocolates lol.
I heard of such lawsuits in civil US courts. It appears that, whether you have a case or not, you can likely make some hot hell for the seller and get them to settle. You need a good lawyer. I am no lawyer and this isn’t legal advice, by the way. :p
And – you need to evaluate the repercussions for you as owner of gambling sites.
Dominique , I am not American so I dont worry about owning the websites ,Actually I have a business name who owns them and two partners in different countries.I also keep a life jacket close by in case i have to swim in a hurry hehehe.The person who sold them to me is American though .I was hoping some affiliate managers would give their input ,I really want to get the data on the past earnings ,It is no problem to get my lawyer to write a letter asking for it but wondering if they wouyld want a court order for it.Obviously the seller will not agree to let me see it or they will be busted.
After being a victim of a “scam” myself when buying a domain that claimed X amount of revenue, I can tell you that only a civil suit is viable. The reason being, from a legal standpoint in the US, anything under $50,000 and without numerous complaints is not punishable by law. Sorry to bear the news, but if you have the time, atleast try to scare that person into giving you some money back, else there is little to do aside from small claims court.
I already know the answer most of you will give but what do you think the affiliate group in question should do with the seller since they seen that their doctored stats were used to pursuade me to pay the price i paid.They got the proof this person is a crook and a scammer.I could sleep just having the sellers accounts closed by said group.
I don’t know the legal situation, but I would think that if the seller used altered documents then that would constitute fraud.
I am liening towards the idea the seller was actually a player and maybe won some money to get such a big payout.Of course I have no data ,just some doctored and distorted emails showing neteller payment from x group and also showing a high number of new depositors.The group will not discuss what is fact or fiction so i can only draw my own conclusions since the revenue is 93% lower than what i was told it would be.
Ok.
If you really think that you’ve got a gripe – and that you’ve approached both the seller and the affiliate group without getting satisfaction – then I’d be spilling the beans here.
Lay it out clearly and concisely so that it acts as a warning for others and at least becomes a useful cautionary tale …
– Who is the seller ?
– What is the website ?
– What traffic volume does it get ?
– What is the affiliate group ?
– What was promised ?
– What was received ?
– Did you do due diligence including auditing the financial amounts?At the moment it’s all carefully cloaked in innuendo and double speak and statements like “93% lower”, “x group”, “high number of depositors”.
They offer no real basis for anyone to form an opinion … other than the generic stuff that your getting.
I say paint a very clear and concise picture … name and shame …
:devil:Of course you may also expose the fact that you didn’t check the numbers hard – and that the promises were unlikely given the size, scope and popularity of the website – but I’ll still publish it.
:shhh:The seller isnt a cap member , the group in question is revenue giants.
Here is exact quote from an email from the seller “The ones you see on the home page are the best converters I average 1000.00 a month with bingohall alone.”I asked the seller what is ‘NEW MONEY ‘ meaning brand new player , brand new depositor and the response was $570.00 was new money .I will not name the seller or the website as it dont matter at this stage and my lawyer probably would appreciate me not publicly naming them .
Danielle has seen all the emails and feels she cant do anything as they have their own legal issues. I’m just trying to weigh my options right now.This person already got several thousand dollars from me and I am not going to give them anymore by publicly naming them and having them sue me .If anyone does the suing its going to be me hehehe:stirpot:
Based on your post I do not see much recourse except taking the loss. Perhaps a written legal document may have helped. Purchasing a site based on hearsay without a proper audit for me would be silly. Relying on Cyber Stats and word of mouth is not a wise choice for any investor. The Cyber World is full of shady characters. For these reasons I truly do not believe you were a “victim of fraud”. You were your worst enemy in this case based on the details provided.
Greek39
imho, easy come, easy go…not much you can do about this situation. you can scare the shit out of the previous owner :shooter: and get your own lil vendetta feeling out of it. apart from that just learn on your mistakes and post about that lil bugger in several forums which concern buying/selling sites.
cheers :shots:
Sorry Greek I thought I did post it but there was a WRITTEN LEGAL DOCUMENT ‘. Next time i buy a website ill be getting confirmation from all the casinos directly as to what a site makes.That seems to be the only safe way to do it.
If you’ve tried the private route with them only to be stonewalled then the public route is acceptable – and by keeping to stating the facts there will not be any “law suits” pending.
:colgate:Based on what you’ve said here about “new money” am I correct in assuming that you did not get transferance of old accounts?
So you are looking for new accounts only ?
And the only numeric answer you got was $570 ?
That could easily be just one player !!
Or maybe 3-5 – but who can tell?And at these values (of less than $5K per month) you could easily see massive variations in profits that ARE NOT THE RESULT OF FRAUD.
Did you get the actual numbers for numbers of new depositing players each month? At low levels this is probably the best REAL indicator of potential growth.
Unless you are regularly seeing double figure numbers of new depositors each month then you’ve got to realise that you’re not buying a reliable cash generator.
:eh:In my opinion …
IF new revenue was based on an expectation of less than 10 players then I would not be surprised if it dropped to near zero, or doubled to $1000 – it would simply depend on LUCK at search engines to get traffic and then LUCK the bingo halls to convert them into depositors.
IF you had expectation of 50+ active players – then you’d have some basis for claiming FRAUD or DECEPTION …
So it really does depend on what you were told in this area.
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