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Oh Man
I am from Europe
and just waited to hear something like that
it has been here so since ages
USA is doing something …….no matter what
and Europa follows
i dont know now how it will be
online gambling is already ilegal in a lot of EU countries
but we are gambling…
i believe each country can make his own law
especiall those EU countries
where are the State Casinos
like Casinos Austria or Holland Casino
dont allow you to win money anywhere else than in the state Casinos and lotteries
means if you get caught
they take your winnings and more
i did never hear someone got caught til now
noone looked more into it…
but now i worry
as this US gambling law thing
wakes up also EU Countries governmentsi truely hope
this will not happen.Bonus Paradise wrote:i dont know now how it will be
online gambling is already ilegal in a lot of EU countries
but we are gambling…Yes, that is true for France, but the problem is that this was like in USA, in a very grey area, but now the new laws they want to vote are very clear and scoldings IMO will be strong enough to scare operators just as USA has scared the majority of the operators… and they also CLEARLY target those who do ADVERTISING for them.
They want to keep their monopoly, and to satify EU just open the market to the french operators they want, it will still be monopoly, they just want to guard everything and take the maximum cash.
Why not regulate and open the market to all legitimate operators? Because they are as dumb as USA government and that the 2000’s actual climate of our poor democracies is more like hidden dictatorship.
online gambling is already ilegal in a lot of EU countries
Absolutely Untrue.
It’s not online gambling that is illegal. In Europe there is no distinction between online and offline gambling. On that point there is much difference from USA. The problem in Europe is that only government companies are exploring gambling. It’s not online or offline, it’s gambling. Gambling is not open for private exploration. Under free market rules, there is an exception, and is under that exception that european governments are trying to say thet private exploration of gambling is illegal.
But, given all promotion given to the games by european gvernements, Private companies are saying to EU Commission that under free rules they have the right to explore the market and that government monopolies don’t make sense. At this time EU is investigating the issue because in France there is a governement abuse because they promote gambling outside their borders.
And another important thing, although some countries are considering it illegal, in most cases it is not a crime punished with prison but rather with fines.
Betandwin is doing a great job. They’ve put a good pressure on EU commission.
I would also like to say that a law like what was approved in USA would never been approved in Europe. The reason is that EU operates under free market rules. If in Europe, it was allowed for a private company to operate a land based casino, they would never ban online versions. Any European court would taken down that law. Please understand that the question in Europe is that ALL the gambling market is operated by the Governement. There is no Vegas here.
sharpgambler wrote:But, given all promotion given to the games by european gvernements, Private companies are saying to EU Commission that under free rules they have the right to explore the market and that government monopolies don’t make sense. At this time EU is investigating the issue because in France there is a governement abuse because they promote gambling outside their borders.Exactly what I was saying.
Quote:And another important thing, although some countries are considering it illegal, in most cases it is not a crime punished with prison but rather with fines.In France there has been an official communication from the govenrment on 18 October that they want to “do exactly as USA” (yes, that is what is written by the secretary themselves), and that they will enforce severe punishments (yes to keep their monopoly).
Quote:I would also like to say that a law like what was approved in USA would never been approved in Europe. The reason is that EU operates under free market rules. If in Europe, it was allowed for a private company to operate a land based casino, they would never ban online versions. Any European court would taken down that law. Please understand that the question in Europe is that ALL the gambling market is operated by the Governement. There is no Vegas here.Frankly I live in France and in France the EU is seen as a joke, in fact. France do lots of things in contrary of the EU rules and law. I won’t be surprised if they will do what they want about opening online gambling (yes, I understand that gambling itself is the question) to the market. Plus, they have said that they will do this to COMPLY with EU requests.. In fact, they just try to get around.
That’s correct. France is thinking on severe punishment. But there is none in place yet.
You may disagree, but France is now the country that is more likely to have EU Commission giving a favorable prospect for private held companies. Because by far France is the country which has the most abuse on EU exception rules. Holland is the only place that is keeping gambling low profile, according to EU rules. With all the marketing around Euro Millions and the cross border operations of France gambling it would be very difficult for France government to ban gambling based on EU exception rules.
And as you say, France maybe not sticking to EU rules, but there is sufficient protection in Europe for any citizen to deal with that.
Our problem in Europe is that UK is always closer to US than to Europe. If that changes, and UK makes some pressure here, it would be very very valuable, because they are the more advanced country on that matter.
yeah sharpgambler
you are right
not only online gambling is illegal
any kind of gambling as long the state does not get a share of it
as they get it in State Casinos which having the monopolMaybe they just can find a way here to tax all kind of gambling
and its legalized then?SharpGambler, I just hope you will be right about EU / France.
But,
Quote:EU Commission giving a favorable prospect for private held companiesThat’s exactly what France want to do, but it wants to enter into a privately held hidden monopoly. I think big french companies like Groupe Partouche will be given green light, and a few others, plus the state-controled PMU and FDJ.
Anyway, that’s too early to tell something a bit right. Let’s see what will happen. In anycase, for my part I think I’m done with online gambling, and will reconvert elsewhere. It’s maybe an emotive decision, but really this is becoming scary.
Maxfalcon1 wrote:I think big french companies like Groupe Partouche will be given green light, and a few others, plus the state-controled PMU and FDJ.If that happens, it will kill French intentions. If any company besides governement-owned companies is allowed to enter gambling, then by EU rules any other company can do that, without listening to any country-specific rules.
If France takes a decision like that, online gambling will be very good in Europe in general, because EU Commission will have no option other than imposing fines on EU countries with restriction on gambling.
Anyway, that’s too early to tell something a bit right. Let’s see what will happen. In anycase, for my part I think I’m done with online gambling, and will reconvert elsewhere. It’s maybe an emotive decision, but really this is becoming scary.
Regarding your post, of course you know better than me your particular situation but I think you should take a look on your law. As an affiliate I don’t think you have to quit.
As I said, in most EU countries, running a gambling business by itself may be illegal but not a crime, and sometimes is not more than driving at high speed. And there is also more specific legislation about what you do, because you are not considered top be on gambling. Again, you should look into this because Europe is not the USA.
sharpgambler wrote:Regarding your post, of course you know better than me your particular situation but I think you should take a look on your law. As an affiliate I don’t think you have to quit.As I said, in most EU countries, running a gambling business by itself may be illegal but not a crime, and sometimes is not more than driving at high speed. And there is also more specific legislation about what you do, because you are not considered top be on gambling. Again, you should look into this because Europe is not the USA.
I will try to get two good beers and a good sleeping night and will think of a decision tomorrow. You’re right, it’s better to evaluate problems when “calm”.
Maxfalcon1 wrote:I will try to get two good beers and a good sleeping night and will think of a decision tomorrow. You’re right, it’s better to evaluate problems when “calm”.Yes, sure the best.
Here are some good news that you may want to take a look at:
http://www.heise.de/english/newsticker/news/79682
http://www.newratings.com/analyst_news/article_1392872.html
http://www.newratings.com/analyst_news/article_1392860.htmlA court in Dresden allowed Bwin to continue operations after Saxony tried a ban saying that:
The legal situation as to the ban was currently unclear on both the federal and the European level.This is in Germany but European countries are very correlated on this matter.
