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5.4 seems pretty unfair to me
Who is it and did they just make up this new rule?
When a moderator says it’s ok to post the name, then I’ll do so. Don’t wanna badmouth one of the “certified” affiliate programs here.
bonustreak wrote:did they just make up this new rule?I’m not sure if they just made it up. I was looking into taking this company on, but when I read these two things, well…they kinda jumped out at me.
Is it common to have the first one? And is it acceptable to have the second one?
Moderator, smoderator, spill the beans, this is not dictatorship here, if a mod said you cant post names here, it would raise a few eyebrows and most people would leave this place forever, we’re here to exchange info, we’re not little kids who need to ask for permission to speak. Just spill it, especially since it is of concern to us all, i wanna who this is so i can start dumping them
Nick – I think that you’re jumping the gun.
I doubt that a mod said “no names” – CAP generally discusses these terms out in the open without problem – I think that ensign_lee is just unsure of the protocol here?
As for the two terms ..
I think that the first one is draconian and wrong …
Changing terms and then saying if you don’t like it then leave. We’ve been through this before and if the orginial deal is lifetime percentage then it should stay lifetime.
The second one …
Well it seems to say that if you’re not promoting us then you won’t get any further revenue. After all one depositing player in six months is hardly a stretch test …
…and even then they say that they’ll evaluate special cases.
It seems to me that if you’re making an effort and actively promoting then you will not be dropped. But the clause should spell that out.
Just my two cents ..
:bigsmile:What is with these guys, they come on here, make accusations, and then dont provide important details, what’s the point then, just wasting everyones time
Name the place and let them defend their actions, thats what i always do, and things get resolved a lot faster that way
Doing things like buddy is doing, is not helping anyone, if he named the place, we all could of reviewed the terms, and decided to dump them, forcing them to make a move by now
Dom is probably off sipping Marguerita’s on some tropical island, leave her out of this
This is probably a place i have on my site, without knowing of these funny terms, and i’m not gonna accept that, if i did, every two bit thief operation would change their terms thinking i’m a patsy and will succumb to their every desire
Ok.
Well, it seems as though the general feling around here is that it’s ok to call places out so that they can respond. These terms were from 9am.com . They’re the very first sponsor you see here at CAP.
I was looking at promoting some of their sportsbooks (nine.com in particular), and then I ran across these.
The reason I ask about the second one is what happens if I want to hang it up one of these days? I should sitll have LIFETIME revenue coming from these players, but what that clause says is that if I’m not promoting them currently, I don’t get access to any of my past work?
Sorry for not posting the name earlier. It’s just that I know ltos of sites don’t like their sponsors being called out, so that’s why I refrained. I’m kinda new here, so please don’t kill me! :flamer:
Thats much better
VipProfits also has this crap
IF ANY MODIFICATION IS UNACCEPTABLE TO YOU, YOUR ONLY RECOURSE IS TO TERMINATE THIS AGREEMENT. YOUR CONTINUED PARTICIPATION IN THE PROGRAM FOLLOWING OUR POSTING OF A CHANGE NOTICE OR NEW AGREEMENT ON OUR SITE WILL CONSTITUTE BINDING ACCEPTANCE OF THE CHANGE
ever since those 2 merged they have become a complete disaster, and the word in gambling circles(which i am part of)is stay away
they lost a lot of their horseplayers(i used to even bet the pony’s there”VIPSports”, but never again)by capping the maximum payout odds on bets, it was the stupidest thing they could of done, going from paying out track odds+10% to capping odds and payouts…bye bye viphorses, hello pinnaclehorses is the majority view from every major horseplayer, what an unexplainably stupid move
i dont know what set up they have together, VIP and Nine, but whatever it is, it has hurt VIP, they were a solid A operation that have fallen out of favour with many gamblers these days
i’m sure buddy from nine.com will respond to this, but im gonna ditch em both, the word going around on them is bad
i even had a visitor to my site email me about my horsebook selections, and VIP, he pointed out the change in terms, and i immediately dumped them and put Bodog in their place…i have thousands of visitors come to my one page on race day, where i list my pick to win for various major horse races, like the Derby(site not listed in profile, its exclusive), so they screwed up by ruining what was a good thing they had going with horseplayers
I think everybody is getting way ahead of themselves here.
The first part is almost standard in any agreement..
I went to a few randomly picked programs .. and guess what?
Wagershare
Any amendments, alterations, deletions, interlineations or additions to this Agreement shall be effective immediately upon notice, which may be provided to You via e-mail or by display on the Site (hereinafter, “Notice”). Your use of the Site and/ or continued marketing of Us or Our Merchants after such Notice is given to You will be deemed acceptance of such amendments, alterations, deletions, interlineations or additions or the new Agreement should this Agreement be replaced in its entirety. Be sure to review this Agreement periodically to ensure familiarity with its most current version.Fortune
2.2 We may modify any portion of this agreement, at any time, in Our sole discretion, by posting a change notice or a new agreement on our site. Modifications may include, for example, changes in the scope of available referral fees, fee schedules, payment procedures, and referral program rules. IF ANY MODIFICATION IS UNACCEPTABLE TO YOU, YOUR ONLY RECOURSE IS TO TERMINATE THIS AGREEMENT. YOUR CONTINUED PARTICIPATION IN THE AFFILIATE PROGRAM FOLLOWING OUR POSTING OF A CHANGE NOTICE OR NEW AGREEMENT ON OUR SITE WILL CONSTITUTE BINDING ACCEPTANCE OF THE CHANGE.Partnerlogic
IF ANY MODIFICATION OF THIS AGREEMENT IS UNACCEPTABLE TO YOU, YOUR ONLY RECOURSE IS TO TERMINATE THIS AGREEMENT. YOUR CONTINUED PARTICIPATION IN THE AFFILIATE PROGRAM FOLLOWING SUCH MODIFICATION WILL CONSTITUTE BINDING ACCEPTANCE OF SUCH MODIFICATION.IOG
IF ANY MODIFICATION IS UNACCEPTABLE TO YOU, YOUR ONLY RECOURSE IS TO TERMINATE THIS AGREEMENT. YOUR CONTINUED PARTICIPATION IN THE PROGRAM FOLLOWING OUR POSTING OF A CHANGE NOTICE OR NEW AGREEMENT ON OUR SITE (WHICH WE WILL NOTIFY YOU OF) WILL CONSTITUTE BINDING ACCEPTANCE OF THE CHANGE.Brightshare
IF ANY MODIFICATION TO THIS AGREEMENT IS UNACCEPTABLE TO YOU, YOUR ONLY RECOURSE AGAINST BRIGHTSHARE IS TO TERMINATE YOUR PARTICIPATION IN THE PROGRAM.I am sure that you will find something similair in every contract at all programs.
As for the second part of ensign_lee’s question:
5.4 Inactive affiliate clause – To remain active xxxxx.com requires you (the affiliate) send a mininum of one (1) active depositing player every six months. Should you not send an active depositing player signup within a given six month period, xxxxx.com reserves the right to class you as an inactive affiliate. An inactive affiliate ceases to receive commissions from xxxxx.com. Your affiliate performance will be evaluated on a month by month basis and special cases are exempt to this clause.
It seems crappy, but it is there for everybody to read before they sign up. So, either one accepts that or does not sign up. The only issue is when programs chane the terms AFTER you have signed up.
These terms are common in affiliate Terms and Conditions.
1. While blunt, this is the way things work in business partnerships. If you agree to the terms and conditions a program offers you continue to work with them, if you dont you have the option of dropping them. There is nothing ground breaking here. In practice if a casino group comes out with new terms that you find objectionable you can cut their traffic and quietly go on about business. Assuming your diminshed expsoure produces one player here and there (within six months) there is no harm done. You will continue to receive commissions. You can also lobby for change, which is what we commonly do here at CAP. Generally if the changes are reasonable they are adopted by our certified partners.
2. We generally consider minimum player requirements predatory if they are based on monthly requirements. One player over six months is NOT excessive and anyone making even a modest effort should have no problem acheiving that. Remember affiliate marketing is a partnership between you and the program. If you worked anywhere else and didnt show up for work for six months you would have been sacked in short order.
Nope, not for me, thank you very much.
Whether I promote actively or tell you later I don’t like that new change in rules and you can go to hell, you’re still profiting off of my prior referrals, and therefore I still intend to profit as well.
~LadyH
There is a problem here, you are asking us to trust people that many of us have never met and know nothing about, people who are considered criminals by their own government
What reassurance do i have that they wont decide to give me whatever they feel like giving me, and not what was agreed upon, as cpays.com have been doing
And what about these characters like sportingbet who dissapear with peoples money, then turn up again several months later
Another example is worldpokerexchange, who used affiliates to get as many players as they could, then shut down their aff program and stopped paying everyone
Checknraisepoker, another con job, formerly known as dynamitepoker, pulled the same move, twice
People in the industry are prone to scummy behaviour, its gambling, so you know you will get your share of criminals
Why dont i have the option of changing the terms, i am as was mentioned, a partner, partnership is:
partnership – a contract between two or more persons who agree to pool talent and money and share profits or losses
contract – a binding agreement between two or more persons that is enforceable by lawThese terms only give the casinos the option to scam us if they choose, and some will choose to do just that, as we have seen on a number of occassions already
I don’t like it
These are standard.
We proved last year that in most cases the programs will be reasonable and treat us fairly.
There were a couple of exceptions, nick777 lists them, and they should be avoided at all cost. Can’t trust them.
There are rotten apples everywhere, best we can do is sort them and toss them.
