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  • #697677
    Anonymous
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    I have casinos that I have listed and didnt earn one penny for 6 months.Then I have send big players to them.

    So if I want to list microgaming casinos,I list the best 10 and give a link ”click here to see other microgaming casinos” and the bottom and list all 70-80 microgaming casinos on a new page.

    #697679
    Anonymous
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    I look at it as a mix of the player’s point of view and mine.

    First I cull according to player experience, I want my players happy so they will come back to me. Casinos that get a lot of player complaints or are blacklisted are out.

    Then I figure that players will appreciate having a good selection of decent casinos, so in the second cull I take out only the ones that are worst for affs for various reasons.

    Now I give top spots to the ones that make me the most money. The rest gets lower listings.

    If I see movement from the lower ranks I move them up. If they are totally stagnant I drop them.

    Things can change. I carry a lot of programs that make me very little money. Sometimes one suddenly does better and I move it up. You never know in the long run. casinos as well as affiliates have a learning curve, and I allow for that.

    #697700
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Thanks very much. Your answers certainly do make a lot of sense.

    #697724
    Anonymous
    Inactive
    LandofOz wrote:
    I’ve been in this business for many years, but I keep changing my mind on this subject.
    You’re not alone, we’re on the same boat

    LandofOz wrote:
    Is it more profitable to promote all reputable sponsors, even if some of them make peanuts or hardly seem to convert, OR is it better to only promote the best of the best sponsors on your main site?

    Do you still promote poorly converting sponsors, or do you list them in the very back, beneath all your major sponsors?
    First facotr: Traffic
    What i do is watch the total amount of traffic the site/s (my sites) gets. then i check which programs perform best for me.

    Second factor: Target Audience
    I look at server logs and see what people were searching for when coming to my sites: was it free promotions? no deposit offers? game info? etc.

    Bottom line: Adapting and filtering
    If my site/s get many promotions seekers. i see if the best promotions programs did well regarding to others. in that case.. they almost always do.

    if the best converting programs had nothing to do with promotions.. i’ll have to analyze that.

    if programs generate poor/no income consistently and i don’t need them just to fill my site with content.. I’ll kick them out.

    The way i see it, program that occasionally converts a little is not enough. as if a potentially depositing surfer visited your site and didn’t come to specifically find the specific casino and sign up.. if that casino wouldn’t be there.. he’ll most likely sign up with another one.

    I hope my english didn’t confuse things :-)

    #697800
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Thanks M.D. I appreciate your reply. Your english didn’t confuse me :)

    #697804
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Hi all,

    well the old timers here have heard me sing this song before but I still feel it has merit.

    Keeping programs that don’t produce … especially if you think they’re cheating you rather than just incompetent at converting visitors into players … then if you keep them listed, even on your back pages … you risk not only losing quality players that might have otherwise signed up somewhere that you can halfway trust … such as the time I had a whopper of a whale sign up at Quicksilver (gone now, and I was definitely a factor though they were on their way out anyway due to such poor management by Mike Dibley) so when this happened I had already removed Quicksilver from my sites except apparently one or two hidden/lost links which were still sending visitors (as i could see using their stats to judge when I’d finally removed all their links) …

    so anyway in the time it took me to find these missing links which I never actually found so I’m guessing the visits could have come from google cache pages … I had this huge whale sign up

    of course I never got paid what I had earned and all I can ever think of is if I hadn’t had that link there to Quicksilver … would I have landed that whale somewhere else?

    One thing’s for sure, … I would rather have run the whale off than to have seen that money go to Dibley.

    Now consider that also by keeping these kind of links up that (if they are cheats) that you are in fact going to have become what is often called an “enabler” for people who are responsible for enabling their friends/family to do drugs when they never have a job. If a cheat lands a player because you had a link to their site … then even though you may now be smart enough to stay away from placing them in prime spots … by not weeding your garden you have now helped the cheats to make enough money to hopefully be around long enough to get some more newbies signed up and continue the cycle.

    The reason that’s bad for even those people who’ve already learned the hard way not to trust the cheat is that if you allow them to prosper it only funds their next scam which may be to start a new casino and not let anybody know they are behind it.

    first its got to be a reputable casino network to insure players have a quality time.

    second its got to make money for you. And be competitive with the others in both growth and bottom line. *you’re not here for the fun of it are you?

    if it can’t be both the above. its dead in the water, get rid of it.

    If in the end I have only one or two sponsors then so be it. I have to have #1 for me to stay in business and I refuse to give a free ride to a sponsor when the one next to it is paying me nicely. Its not fair to either the good sponsor nor to yourself or to anybody still coming up the line.

    #697817
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Don’t waste your traffic on dead heads!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Promote the honest paying Affiliates and forget the rest.:rasta:

    #698012
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Keep as many reputable affiliates listed as you can.

    If I come to your door holding two or three chocolate bars in my hand and tell you, “this one is the best bar ever! You should buy one!” Do I sound credible, or desperate?

    Then again, if I come by with 20 different bars in a box and point to one and say, “this one is the best eeever!” doesn’t that make me look a lot more credible, and you a lot more likely to buy the bar I recommended?

    It is natural to believe that someone who is selling a product knows something about it – or at least more than you do. The more products (or affiliates) I sell, the more knowledgable I will appear, and the more credibility I will have in labeling one or two as “the best”.

    Of course I have to be prepared for the fact that you might just not like my taste, and choose to buy my “worst” chocolate bar. As long as that bar isn’t poisoned – or in the case of an affiliate, a fraud – I shouldn’t mind. Overall I’ll end up selling more of my best earner, and still make at least make a profit from the others.

    So like I said, the more good ones you can manage, the better.

    #698204
    Anonymous
    Guest

    If I come to your door holding two or three chocolate bars in my hand and tell you, “this one is the best bar ever! You should buy one!” Do I sound credible, or desperate?

    Then again, if I come by with 20 different bars in a box and point to one and say, “this one is the best eeever!” doesn’t that make me look a lot more credible, and you a lot more likely to buy the bar I recommended?

    actually if you had 20 … I’d be wondering what you needed the other 19 for?

    I mean it’d be different if they each had slightly different flavors but if all were just chocolate … I’d be thinking why are you hauling around so many duds if you knew that one was so much better than the others.

    and I’d be thinking you were probably desperate to get rid of your poor sellers not the other way around.

    Just my take on things.

    That said, I don’t think your analogy is quite on the mark since casinos do have slightly different …. flavors for lack a better word, and if that’s true then of course you’d want to offer as much variety as possible … as long as your candy kept its uniform … freshness (were reputable places).

    but I wouldn’t recommend listing casinos that don’t make you money except in perhaps your very back listings because for one thing it isn’t fair to your casinos that are paying the bills.

    why should they be giving you such a good income when the next place makes you almost nothing and still enjoys similar placement on your sites?

    #698222
    Anonymous
    Inactive
    bb1webs wrote:
    why should they be giving you such a good income when the next place makes you almost nothing and still enjoys similar placement on your sites?

    You definitely hit the spot with that remark.

    If a program rewards you, you need to reward the program to keep a nice exchange going. Besides, with every player you are sending to a different program, you are losing potential money at the well converting and good retention place.

    #698317
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    I’m starting to realize this more and more… Only List the lower performing casinos on their review page

    #698321
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    I do agree with you (bb1) in that you should burry affiliates that don’t make you as much money, but within reason I will take any player I can get. We are only doing half or less of the selling job remember. If I say Party Poker is the greatest thing ever and Paradise sucks, just because I list Paradise on another page doesn’t mean a player I get for Paradise would have become a Party player if I didn’t list it. Maybe that visitor couldn’t stand Party’s ugly green website and would never sign up there even if it was the only place to play online poker. Not that the website is actually ugly, imo :laugh:

    Just one way to look at it. Overall I think there are enough well-paying affiliates out there to make up a good list.

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