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I couldn’t agree more. I’m not a gambler, but I have a perspective on things. This is a huge industry and the casinos are (naturally) reaping the biggest rewards. If the casino makes things difficult for big winners / players – they are simply making very bad marketing decisions.
In the case BB mentioned above, doubly bad. They knew who he was, he gets paid every month, gambles his earnings and brings in new players…. Why make life hard? Isn’t this as simple as shooting yourself in the foot?
I’d love to have BB1 as a sub-affiliate or player under me so I could just pick up a dribble of his earnings as an affiliate or losses as a player.
It’s the casino/affprogram who lost in the end. The fact that they know this player/affiliate personally makes the situation even more ludicrous.
I think this is an excellent question to ponder – why is winning the trigger for the paperwork and verification? Could this not be done painlessly while people are LOOSING or PLAYING? Simply email them and tell them you want to get started in the process because if they play often, it is likely they win and how you don’t want them to get frustrated with slow payouts when they hit a jackpot.
(hmm.. anticipating their win… seems like that would go over much better than slowing their payment)
As I stated on the original thread, this has long been a thorn in my side. Makes no sense to require i.d. when sending winnings.
Makes every bit of sense to verify i.d. before allowing a player to play – even if it waiting to play turns some of them off, it would undoubtedly increase players’ trust and pay off in the long run.
That is messed up.
Problem seems to be that there is precious little forsight in this business. Too many are in too big a hurry to grab money to think ahead and plan for the long term.
As for BB1’s treatment by an affiliate group he has been representing, that’s intollerable. Those of us who are responsible webmasters and back up the casinos we promote need to know that the affiliate managers are on our side, and will be there for us should we need to troubleshoot situations between our players and the casinos.
Well said BB1.
100% agree. I play and if i feel that I’m treated differently after a win by a casino, i rarely go back unless it was a quick and painless process and i either remove or relegate the casino on my site into the bargain.
Simmo!
I just wanted to say that there is a sportsbook out there (http://www.pinnaclesports.com), and they do exactly what was stated above. They say in the welcome email that they will need verifications of the credit cards used when depositing. Everybody has to do this, after they deposit.
I think that this is a good way to prevent abuse of credit cards, and big players would feel more comfortable because they know that all the verification is taken care of and that there is no reason anymore for them not to get paid quickly.burgi82 wrote:I think that this is a good way to prevent abuse of credit cards, and big players would feel more comfortable because they know that all the verification is taken care of and that there is no reason anymore for them not to get paid quickly.That’s it exactly! Same applies for casino gamblers – BIG players would appreciate this immensely. They’d be willing to wait for verification because it demonstrates that the casino is secure and players would receive their winnings without hassle. The quick, no verification required deposits attract bonus hunting, 2-bit players, IMO.
Three cheers for http://www.pinnaclesports.com
burgi82 wrote:I just wanted to say that there is a sportsbook out there (http://www.pinnaclesports.com), and they do exactly what was stated above. They say in the welcome email that they will need verifications of the credit cards used when depositing. Everybody has to do this, after they deposit.
I think that this is a good way to prevent abuse of credit cards, and big players would feel more comfortable because they know that all the verification is taken care of and that there is no reason anymore for them not to get paid quickly.One would also have thought this would have deterred the “bonus whores” aswell which can’t be a bad thing.
Simmo! wrote:One would also have thought this would have deterred the “bonus whores” aswell which can’t be a bad thing.They don’t even offer a bonus, I think. They just have very good lines for sportsbettors and are therefore one of the more popular sportsbooks, especially among bettors who try to do sportsbetting professionally.
While I clearly dislike sending my info to foreigners I do not know from Adam and will not do it, I do not hold affiliate programs responsible.
It’s not their job, it’s the individual casino’s.It is nice if the program, if it has been doing actual business with you, speaks up for you. It’s a favor.
Affiliate programs have varying amounts of influence with the casinos that pay for the program. No one is going to stand up here and say that their casino won’t listen to them for anything, but that is very common.
So it it not possible nor fair to try to rely on programs to mediate between an affiliate and a casino, nor between a player and the casino. It’s not in their job description, and for many it is not even possible.
It is however very nice when they can and do help out.
It is nice if the program, if it has been doing actual business with you, speaks up for you. It’s a favor.
I’ll adjust my alignment slightly to agree with Dom here on this one.
It really is an issue with the casino MORE than the affiliate prorgam… Now the casino in question here has more than one of the VP casinos, so I can see how it might not be worth it to promote VP for BB1…
But I do agree with Dom’s point here about it being more the fault of the indiviudal casino (or group of casinos) than the aff program itself.
Good point Dom, I know you brought it up in the other thread too :3eyes:
Hi again,
someone please correct me if I’m wrong, for not only a public reason but also for private, but it is and has been my understanding that all the VP properties are owned by the same person or group of people, who also is involved with the aff end of things.
If that’s not the case then I while I still hold to my original standpoint, I do so with much more understanding.
that said; what the aff programs must understand is that what makes us, at least me, important to players, is the fact that I can and do work with the casinos / aff programs (because i must go thru the aff program to approach the casino management) whenever there is a problem.
I act as a buffer against silly complaints/demands, interpreter – condensing what may amount to several emails down to the base facts so to present them to the casino, thus making their job of handling the situation both easier and I am an assurance that the player will be treated with the obvious utmost courtesy and attempted competency as the very owner of the casino would treat the player, because i have as much at stake.
You cannot dream of a better representitive.
But i cannot accomplish any of the above if I cannot count on having someone to contact and help me to achieve these goals.
One would also have thought this would have deterred the “bonus whores” aswell which can’t be a bad thing.
excellent point! I guess there is good money to be made from targeting keywords like “free bonus” but personally I’d be interested in knowing what the actual profitablity is on these types of players when compared to what the occasional big winner takes away from the equation ..
vs.
what the profitability is of targeting players who are entering into the deal knowing they first must produce whatever paperwork is required by the respective casino in order to gamble (and there in turn, get paid),
would figure out to be. Its my guess the latter would absolutely blow away the first group.
so if that proves to be the case, where is the wisdom in using the current system?
even if it isn’t a ploy to give the run around to make it hard for people to actually get their hands on the cash; that is exactly as it appears.
So it ends up discouraging the very kind of player I know to be the most desired, and as for the bonus chasers. well to them its sop (standard operating procedure) to expect to jump thru the hoops and they are not the least bit daunted by these requirements.
For nearly 5 years now I have echoed what i have and continue to hear from people concerning cashins.
They didn’t need that stuff to take my money. Why the hell do they need it to pay me; except they just use it as an excuse not to pay.
Do the casino owners not see the absolutely HUGE amount of money they are losing out on because of this nickel and dime tactics?
I consider myself to be a pretty shrewd gambler. I actually walk away with more than I started on my share of occasions. But that said; I still know that in the end i’m going to give it back more than likely. The only question is where?
It won’t be somewhere that gave me a hard time getting my hands on the money in the first place.
This arguement is so ignorant and so old! What will it take to change this backward way of thinking?
The casinos should be knocking people over to get the money to them!
