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I still would like to see it happen but it seems as if we are waiting for everyone to vote, and that is not happening.
emg35
I think maybe Craig just wants no part of it and everyone is waiting for him to act.
Well I have to take into consideration what the professor brought up several weeks ago …
I recall Craig presenting a prerequisite to starting a new group and that was everyone had to lay off Cindy. I surely hope that this wasn’t a ploy to get the heat off of her, but his total absence is sort of an enigma.
On the other hand the venture should NOT rest on the shoulders of one individual. I think the project just needs a few motivated persons to take charge. That and I think more interest needs to be shown by all who wish to see it develop.
Is there any money to be made? I would think so; but I’m not knowledgeable enough to pursue anything like this; but I’m amazed more people aren’t.
BB1 there is not enough money to be made to make it worth doing it for the money. I hope that makes sense.
The value of a new organization, if there truly is any, would be the networking and increased communication it would afford for our industry.
I think an association or organization that TRULY represented affiliates interests FIRST could be a powerful force and very benficial for us as webmasters. We have never had that and no one really knows what could be acheived if it did. That’s what excited me about the prospect.
That’s utopia though and probably cant be acheived in a commercial setting, there are simply too many side agendas and motivations to allow a large group of us to get together for the good of all. We saw that at the new group as we lost all focus and everyone wanted the new org to be everything to everyone.
Some wanted to focus on casinos and aff managers, some wanted to gear it towards player/portal unions, some wanted to represent affiliates and webmasters (my camp) and others wanted to encompass every thing even remotely related to gambling. You cant serve so many masters well.
Unfortunately, I dont think enough people are motivated enough to bring this off. Because it would be VERY time consuming and because there isnt a pot of gold as a reward for that effort so far no one (myself included) has been interested in accepting the repsonsibility to drive the thing forward.
Hi,
thanks for the enlightenment Prof.
I suppose I was thinking in terms of gpwa. It brought in (I thought) somewhere around a $150 a month per aff program that held a thread. and then I’m sure there was a little bit in ad revenue but what I thought was the bigger revenue of all was the benefit of traffic it brought by.
I know she got some traffic because of the benefit of the huge amount of linked sites and in fact; we talked about it one day. I had mentioned to her that (if it was possible; since I am not knowledgeable about such things) but that she should put some kind of cookie on the webmaster’s that were joined; which would exclude them from a campaign of pop-ups to launch on that traffic which was player traffic; that happened upon there either by following a link from one of our sites; or by SE traffic which ended up there by mistake due to it ranking high with several terms which weren’t high volume deals; but combined she was getting enough of such traffic to make it worthy of doing what I afore mentioned.
Heck, I’d almost think it would be worth doing because of the shavers maybe deciding they didn’t want to shave somebody in a position to influence a lot of webmasters who are big in our field.
thanks for setting me straight.
Most of the programs at GPWA refused to pay. Of the ones that did it was only about 12 as I remember. 12×150 is $1800. While I hate to sound elitist $1800 minus server expenses aint much.
Lets assume you spend 4 to 6 hours a day doing admin, minding the boards, proding the advertisers to pay, abritrating squables among members, processing new member aps and all the other daily crap that comes up. And lets say you do that 6 days a week (if you didnt everything would fall apart) then we are talking 120 hours per month. Figure $1600 left over after server and your talking $13 an hour. Whoa Nelly where do I sign up?
Even a mediocre webmaster earns far more. I know you or I do. In fact most of the people that have access to the private areas here earn far more then $1800 a week. Some more then that a day. So it aint worth it if your just in it for the money.
Now my figures were based on 5 hours a day. You know as well as I do that Cindy does twice that at GPWA. Shes online there or at various message boards doing damage control at least 10 or twelve hours a day. So what does that make the hourly wage?
Trust me she aint in it for the money she earns at GPWA. She has other reasons, not the $150 a month fees.
This could be an interesting project.
The only way I would consider doing it is if I could hire an employee to take care of all the crap. I think if they worked at it 4 – 5 hours a day it would be enough time for them to take care of everything.
I could probably hire someone here for 7 bucks canadian an hour (around 5usd). The only problem is I would probably spend more time overviewing the project then i want to. But I know a lot of people who would be happy with that wage as it’s exactly what they earn now but they can avoid leaving the comfort of thier home. They wouldn’t have to worry about babysitting and they could have tax write offs that they dont currently have.
Only problem is I would have to make sure that the project is viable and worthwhile before taking the time of hiring someone. The training would also take more time.
I also dont know if webmasters are truly ready for another organization.
But in the end, if I could make $1000 profit for doing nothing but paying someone once a month I would be happy to do so. And yes $1000 isn’t much even for me, but it would cover 2 vacations a year. The problem is I dont really see a demand for this organization. There are some exceptions such as the Professor but most webmasters are not willing to divulge trade secrets.
I also dont know if there’s room for a third message board, between this and the GPWA I think most webmasters are happy.
Antoine
As far as an affiliate board goes – CAP is everything we need. I see no use for another pure affiliate board.
What seems to be evolving at the other place is a much different professional association of sorts, encompassing various parts of the industry.
I am interested in that. I am interested in the specific individuals there. I am not really interested in another affiliate association per se. I am happy with CAP, I see nothing lacking here.
DT just posted that Craigs sites are all down and now for sale. I guess Croup wont be interested in spearheading the new org.
Hi,
well I guess I’m lazy because I’d never spend that kind of time working on this sort of project.
as I said, not being knowledgeable in this area; but the fact that I do know someone who has almost an exact same kind of set up as gpwa, and we use it for a very informal meeting of a few webmasters who all kinda just fell in and its some place that we can say whatever we want without risk of it being heard by the wrong people.
we hardly ever use it; but to my knowledge; there is little if anything for the owner to do.
Personally I’d throw up something like that and let it go; see where it takes you. as I see it you’d have to check once a day or so to make sure there aren’t any people getting so out of line that there’s no question they should be banned; and then act upon it.
but other than that; I was thinking it practically ran itself.
shows what I know (insert I’m stupid smilie here)
Is it safe to say the “New” casino organization has died? yes
emg35
Ya, it did serve it’s perpose but I had hoped a few of us mite have saw through that and made work. Oh well
emg35
It is reminiscent of the time when Cindy stepped down at GPWA and Craig removed everyone’s moderator powers etc and we were supposed to reorganize.
It didn’t work then and it didn’t work now.
If nobody at all feels responsible for what happens, nothing happens.
I am disappointed, I liked the group that gathered, I would like for them to be a group of some sort, even if just a social club.
Oh, well.
