Massive Frauds in the Casino Affiliate Programs - Page 3

**Renee** · 10-16-2005 08:45 PM

Laugh away!

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Actually PWC is the independant auditor. This is just one example of our audits... You can find each for Casino Rewards by clicking the image at the bottom of the page.

Hope this answers your questions!

Cheers

Renee

**Dominique** · 10-16-2005 09:21 PM

We know the casinos are audited, we are talking about the affiliate tracking being audited. It is not.

**kwblue** · 10-16-2005 09:41 PM

If it were... I think we would all see our commissions go up. Then we would see the affiliate commission percentages go down in return

End result... We would know that we are get paid correctly. However, it wouldn't make a damn bit of difference monetarily.

**Oneguy2nv** · 10-17-2005 12:47 AM

Originally Posted by Renee

Laugh away!

http://goldentigercasino.com/securit...wc/2005/01.gif

I don't doubt your RNGs.

With all due respect, I see no mention of an affiliate program audit.

Perhaps you could be less smug.

In case the question wasn't clear... Why don't *you* have an independent program audit your affiliate program, methods, and workings?

Originally Posted by kwblue

If it were... I think we would all see our commissions go up. Then we would see the affiliate commission percentages go down in return

End result... We would know that we are get paid correctly. However, it wouldn't make a damn bit of difference monetarily.

I think it would make a difference. I like to be paid what I'm due. Nothing more, nothing less.

You might be right about the general economics of the situation. It would make a difference monetarily to different people...

How long have you been doing this? Are you underpaid? Overpaid? Do you know the difference? Would you like to be paid fairly?

What would make you against such audits, besides a weak economic argument regarding how macro markets typically function. We're not all one affiliate here. We're individuals.

**axl** · 10-17-2005 01:24 AM

Renee your stats are always off hits and download numbers never match up and it’s blamed on bots. Quite a few of us run server side trackers that filter out bots and when we see large discrepancies we know the bot explanation doesn’t wash. Not only that I have heard that affiliates who have tested you in the past discovered that players activities were not being recorded correctly if at all.

I am not here to flame you but with all due respect if Casino Rewards affiliate program were to be audited the results would not be too pretty.

I sure hope alephs comments about only getting 10% of what we are actually due is way off. I would really hate to think I or any of us for that matter are getting screwed that badly. Not that I doubt it I just hate to think about that!

**Scandle5** · 10-17-2005 01:52 AM

I think there are couple Scandleous Casinos out there but
I don't think all are like that. I know that there are couple
that do this but there are many Casinos that carries their
integrity.

**hklein** · 10-17-2005 05:38 AM

This has nothing to see with the thread,
but have you ever asked yourself why casinos are all audited by pwc South Africa ?

**kwblue** · 10-17-2005 09:35 AM

Oneguy2nv....

I am NOT at all against having the affiliate programs audited. In fact, I am quite for it. I believe that I could be shorted and think that I have been in the past..

What I was trying to get across was was this:

If we make 35% on our commissions... and it was found out (through auditing) that we were being skimmed on average 20% of casino earnings... THEN, the affiliate programs would end up reporting accurately (otherwise they would look like idiots after an audit) --
HOWEVER... To make the $$ they made by skimming, they would have to knock down our % to 15% instead of 35%.

End result could very well be the same.

You are right, though... I have NOT been doing this long. I HAVE, however, made a good sum of $$ in the short time (about 9 months or so) that I have been doing this (casino affiliate, anyway). But just because I am relatively new doesn't mean my perspective is any less valuable.

kw

**Dominique** · 10-17-2005 12:13 PM

Originally Posted by kwblue

If we make 35% on our commissions... and it was found out (through auditing) that we were being skimmed on average 20% of casino earnings... THEN, the affiliate programs would end up reporting accurately (otherwise they would look like idiots after an audit) --
HOWEVER... To make the $$ they made by skimming, they would have to knock down our % to 15% instead of 35%.

End result could very well be the same.

kw

I agree with this. We would likely see adjustments if tracking was 100% accurate - which it never is from what I understand with my limited knowledge of math.

I don't think that all the programs are shaving, and I don't think the ones who are do it all the time. But it must be awfully tempting to smooth over a bad month...

I think we would also find that the softwares themselves are having tracking problems. Much of this may not be intentional by the programs at all.

Microgaming needs to get off it's duff and spend a little on creating an accurate, unified tracking program. Leaving it up to the programs is ridiculous. They should be in the business of selling, not of programming. If they didn't have to provide the tracking themselves, they would be a lot more profitable and that would filter down to us.

Microgaming, shame on you on this issue!

**kwblue** · 10-17-2005 01:08 PM

100% agreed on that.

Microgaming (and any other casino software) could gain a TON of acceptance and advertising from affiliates if we KNEW that the tracking was coming directly from them... accurately.

Who here would promote a casino software MORE if you knew that the tracking was always 100% accurate? I know I would.

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