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  • #587979
    vladcizsol
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    Guys you have to read this thread NOW

    http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum30/28329.htm

    :hitthefan

    #662726
    vladcizsol
    Member

    On the odd chance you cant read the whole thread, here is the post that initiated the thread:

    Dear readers,
    It is now 100% certain that any site can destroy low to midrange pagerank sites by causing googlebot to snap up a 302 redirect via scripts such as php, asp and cgi etc supported by an unseen randomly generated meta refresh page pointing to an unsuspecting site. The encroaching site in many cases actually write your websites location URL with a 302 redirect inside their server. This is flagrant violation of copyright and manipulation of search engine robots and geared to exploit and destroy websites and to artificially inflate ranking of the offending sites.

    Many unethical webmasters and site owners are already creating thousands of TEMPLATED (ready to go) SKYSCRAPER sites fed by affiliate companies immense databases. These companies that have your website info within their databases feed your page snippets, without your permission, to vast numbers of the skyscraper sites. A carefully adjusted variant php based redirection script that causes a 302 redirect to your site, and included in the script an affiliate click checker, goes to work. What is very sneaky is the randomly generated meta refresh page that can only be detected via the use of a good header interrogation tool.

    Googlebot and MSMBOT follow these php scripts to either an internal sub-domain containing the 302 redirect or serverside and “BANG” down goes your site if it has a pagerank below the offending site. Your index page is crippled because googlebot and msnbot now consider your home page at best a supplemental page of the offending site. The offending sites URL that contains your URL is indexed as belonging to the offending site. The offending site knows that google does not reveal all links pointing to your site, takes a couple of months to update, and thus an INURL:YOURSITE.COM will not be of much help to trace for a long time. Note that these scripts apply your URL mostly stripped or without the WWW. Making detection harder. This also causes googlebot to generate another URL listing for your site that can be seen as duplicate content. A 301 redirect resolves at least the short URL problem so aleviating google from deciding which of the two URL’s of your site to index higher, more often the higher linked pagerank.

    Your only hope is that your pagerank is higher than the offending site. This alone is no guarantee because the offending site would have targeted many higher pagerank sites within its system on the off chance that it strips at least one of the targets. This is further applied by hundreds of other hidden 301 permanent redirects to pagerank 7 or above sites, again in the hope of stripping a high pagerank site. This would then empower their scripts to highjack more efficiently. Sadly supposedly ethical big name affiliates are involved in this scam, they know it is going on and google adwords is probably the main target of revenue. Though I am sure only google do not approve of their adsense program to be used in such manner.

    Many such offending sites have no e-mail contact and hidden WHOIS and no telephone number. Even if you were to contact them, you will find in most cases that the owner or webmaster cannot remove your links at their site because the feeds are by affiliate databases.

    There is no point in contacting GOOGLE or MSN because this problem has been around for at least 9 months, only now it is escalating at an alarming rate. All pagerank sites of 5 or below are susceptible, if your site is 3 or 4 then be very alarmed. A skyscraper site only need create child page linking to get pagerank 4 or 5 without the need to strip other sites.

    Caution, trying to exclude via robots text will not help because these scripts are nearly able to convert daily.

    Trying to remove a link through google that looks like
    new.searc**verywhere.co.uk/goto.php?path=yoursite.com%2F will result in your entire website being removed from google’s index for an indefinite period time, at least 90 days and you cannot get re-indexed within this timeline.

    I am working on an automated 302 REBOUND SCRIPT to trace and counteract an offending site. This script will spider and detect all pages including sub-domains within an offending site and blast all of its pages, including dynamic pages with a 302 or 301 redirect. Hopefully it will detect the feeding database and blast it with as many 302 redirects as it contains URLS. So in essence a programme in perpetual motion creating millions of 302 redirects so long as it stays on. As every page is a unique URL, the script will hopefully continue to create and bombard a site that generates dynamically generated pages that possesses php, asp, cigi redirecting scripts. A SKYSCRAPER site that is fed can have its server totally occupied by a single efficient spider that continually requests pages in split seconds continually throughout the day and week.

    If the repeatedly spidered site is depleted of its bandwidth, it may then be possible to remove it via googles URL removal tool. You only need a few seconds of 404 or a 403 regarding the offending site for google’s url console to detect what it needs. Either the site or the damaging link.

    I hope I have been informative and to help anybody that has a hijacked site who’s natural revenue has been unfairly treated. Also note that your site may never gain its rank even after the removal of the offending links. Talking to offending site owners often result in their denial that they are causing problems and say that they are only counting outbound clicks. And they seam reluctant to remove your links….Yeah, pull the other one.

    #662732
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Thank you Lou for posting this thread. As far as a solution to this major problem we all need to give a lot of thought. It is not going away on its own and more scammers will utilize this in the near future now that it is out in the open. As wufu110 stated, “this explains a lot.”

    #662744
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Most of that goes completely over my head.

    The to do list is becoming longer than the done list with all this website building stuff..

    #662748
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    That’s a great article Professor. Thanks to post it here.

    This is a big problem, and as far as I know, and from what I read, Google does not care about this issue. Well, having a search engine dominating almost all the market was never good. All business is extremelly dependent on Google. They do what they want, and everyone is optimizing and developing techniques to inflate their positions. Everything goes. The lack of competition is one major source of all these problems.

    The new MSN is an excellent contribution and a major improvement to this area. Hope other SE can develop their own search totally independent from Google. Competition between SE would enhance their responces to this kind of problems.

    And,

    a webmaster speaking about the 302 redirect wrote:
    Apparently Yahoo, and to a certain extent MSN, aren’t as susceptable to this problem.

    That’s good.

    Beware Google of your market share.

    #662750
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    This subject was brought up here.. http://www.casinoaffiliateprograms.com/bb/showthread.php?t=5283

    So at webmaster world they have pointed out the effects of what these sites can do to hurt our listings, pr ranking, etc … Go look at those directories, see if your site is listed.. If your site is, you will be most likely be effected.

    These are machine generated pages and there is many of them.. The number keeps growing everyday.

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