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    Quote Originally Posted by Webzcas View Post
    Hi Warren, it is not just Brightshare. Roxy Affiliates have also been closing down accounts of long time affiliate partners, citing lack of promotion.

    Would be good, if you could seriously consider kicking to the kerb and suspending any sponsorship by a program who make retroactive changes or in the case of Roxy carry out 'rogue' practices.

    Bringing them back on if and when they relent and see the error of their ways.

    Frankly, going around the houses for weeks or months on end hoping to get a resolution is not the way to deal with programs who follow this course. As they still benefit from exposure on sites such as your own, here at CAP.

    Just my 2 cents.
    Hi Dave and others,

    We've had some internal discussion around this and I've also put some further thought into it.

    BrightShare is being suspended from CAP immediately pending the outcome of our discussion with their management and since we do not have a material relationship with Alan (owner of Roxy), they will be rogued immediately with the ability to apply for removal of their rogue stamp on CAP if they remove the retroactive terms. Going forward, we are prepared to suspend any program on CAP who institutes such predatory terms retroactively.

    Thanks everyone for their input and I will keep everyone informed of our discussions and the outcome with BrightShare.

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    Warren, a great class move on your and Cap's part.

    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warren View Post
    Hi Dave and others,

    We've had some internal discussion around this and I've also put some further thought into it.

    BrightShare is being suspended from CAP immediately pending the outcome of our discussion with their management and since we do not have a material relationship with Alan (owner of Roxy), they will be rogued immediately with the ability to apply for removal of their rogue stamp on CAP if they remove the retroactive terms. Going forward, we are prepared to suspend any program on CAP who institutes such predatory terms retroactively.

    Thanks everyone for their input and I will keep everyone informed of our discussions and the outcome with BrightShare.

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    Brilliant, at least you and AGD are being pro active. I will find myself here and there more often from now on unlike some other so called protectors of affiliate interests.

    And I know on this site, there are some true fighters for affiliates rights, they know who they are.
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    Warren, bloody hell... I hoped for it, but I'm not sure I was expecting it. Top, top marks.
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    Thanks very much Warren !!
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    Quote Originally Posted by FictionNet View Post
    Warren, bloody hell... I hoped for it, but I'm not sure I was expecting it. Top, top marks.
    I'll second that!

    I think I can speak for most affiliates and say it's a welcome change to see two affiliate forums; CAP and AGD, not just speaking the speak but walking the walk too.

    Thanks Warren, the CAP Team and AGD for doing the right thing!
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    Thanks for all the info chaps

    Brightshare & Roxy are off and have also kicked Europartners into touch.

    Let the good guys reign

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    Without support of affiliate forums these companies would have been able to pull this stunt without much impact. This way they get what they earn and I am glad to see CAP supporting this.

    Roxy and Spiral have gone from fame to shame. More than a decade of reputation down the drain.
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    Hi all,

    In the case of Brightshare and others, the use of "industry standards" has been used to justify breaching our contract agreements. Thing is though, stealing players and commissions is not an accepted industry practice. In the case of Brightshare it's anything but "Playing Fair, Sharing Success".

    At referback I receive a flat 40% commission and they don't bundle. They really do share the success. And I'll also add, a few months ago they paid me twice (yay) by accident. Shane my AM contacted me and included a spreedsheet showing the error. Now that's how it should be but it seldom happens!

    Lets look at what Brightshare gives - before retroactive changes were applied.
    • 25% standard base commission
    • All casinos bundled (Jackpot Factory Group operate these casinos separately but force affiliates to be incumbered by wins across the board)
    NB - After the USA was dumped by MGS, a while later they (MGS) devised a cut down version of their games. Brightshare opened AllSlotsCasinoUSA and supposedly a new affiliate program ASUSA. They claimed all USA players were mapped to this new affiliate program. Well in typical Brightshare (Spiral Solutions) style that ended up being a total screw up too. To the point where it went belly up BUT not before Brightshare/ASUSA did a deal with with an RTG casino for all these USA players. On my understanding, tagged players to these affiliates have not received a dime from this under the table deal!

    This is the caliber of eithics Brightshare and Spiral Solutions are married to.

    My point to all this, when Brightshare/Spiral Solutions/Jackpot Factory Group come back begging to be reinstated, I think we as affiliates need to demand our agreements are aligned with accepted "industry standards" of 2013, that is:
    • No bundling
    • A minimum 35% base commission
    • No High Roller clauses
    • No decreases in base commission
    • No untagging players
    • No cross marketing with straight links
    • All social media links &/or outbound links maintain affiliate tag integrity
    That's just a few suggestions based on fair play and sharing success!


    In closing, it's time to stand up and stop being dictated to by wayward affiliate programs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AussieDave View Post
    My point to all this, when Brightshare/Spiral Solutions/Jackpot Factory Group come back begging to be reinstated, I think we as affiliates need to demand our agreements are aligned with accepted "industry standards" of 2013.
    I do not see any reason to trust them again any time soon, no matter what they eventually decide to do. Brightshare have shown their true intentions. Nevertheless, it is still very sad that they have chosen this path as their reputation used to always be rather good than bad and their casinos performed well.
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