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  • #587418
    Anonymous
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    I have been in two minds over the last month wether or not to expose a known trusted member of this community for not honouring arrangements with me when i was running the phoenician group. a month has lapsed since i sent the last email to this person without reply , about 3 or 4 months prior was the last comminication with him and i only got a response when i threatened to expose him pubilcally.

    So much is said when casinos put a foot wrong and i think the same should apply to affiliates.

    here is the history

    back in march / april last year when i was with the phoenician group i put a post here on the forums for search engine traffic and that i would do special cpa deals , i got a number of responses including this affilaite.

    this affiliate is well known and well respected , if fact he has always been polite and when he has communicated with me he has handled himself very well.

    this person had or has decent placements in the search engines and i was to pay him $6,000 per week which was the approximate estimate for the number of members he would send me by giving me maximum exposure across his network. so i prepaid him his first $6,000.

    i then emailed him a few times about when he was going to put us up , and i think he put us up on a few small links for a few days ( he was already an affialite and sending small amounts of traffic ) , but then i could not find our links anywhere, he said he would do it shortly – it never happened. we never got one player from him after i sent him the $6000 .

    i emailed him a number of times without response in july/august , then i threatned to expose him and he offered to pay me back $2,000 and send the rest in traffic. So i accepted after all i wanted traffic in the first place , he put me up on one of his low traffic sites and we got nothing from it ( not even in a normal premium position ) . he did send me back the $2000

    i have emailed him a few times over the last few months asking for the rest of my money back but he doesnt reply. funny how when i was asking him for his neteller account details and doing the deal in the first place he replied within minutes. and then when he did not want to be exposed he was all over me but now nothing.

    he owes me $4,000

    this is the guts of it – i think i am entitled to get my money back dont you guys ? and i think this guy should be exposed at being a flake. and of course when i do he is going to blame me or my sites or something , who knows what because it must have been something i have done !

    honestly – what should i do ? expose him ? try and continue to sort it out privately( even though i have )

    i am really disappointed because i liked this fellow and its a shame he has turned out to be so flakey

    cheers

    dean

    #659854
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Did you get a contract?

    #659856
    Anonymous
    Guest

    I’m not posting to give my opinion on whether or not you should expose this flake, Dean. That’s entirely up to you.

    Reading about your experience, as well as the similar experiences of others, leaves me feeling very angry about the minority of dirty webmasters who will do anything to make a quick buck, and whose lack of integrity contaminates the pond for the majority of us.

    #659857
    Anonymous
    Inactive
    Fergie wrote:
    Reading about your experience, as well as the similar experiences of others, leaves me feeling very angry about the minority of dirty webmasters who will do anything to make a quick buck, and whose lack of integrity contaminates the pond for the majority of us.

    I agree with the above.

    Dean,
    I don’t know if exposing him here would be appropriate as it seems people may turn on you later for it, or as you’ve said you might end up looking like the bad guy. But one good reason to expose him would be to keep others from getting the same shaft.

    #659872
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    I would have to agree with the sentiments of previous posters regarding this issue. None of us enjoy being taking for a ride, but more times than not going public with it might not be the best resolution.

    From the legal standpoint Pucks question about the contract is very valid – was an insertion order placed? Have you documented previous attempts to resolve the issue?

    If all else fails as a last resort I would recommend that you take your dispute to the free for all area here at CAP, with evidence in hand and have at them.

    Best of luck.

    #659874
    vladcizsol
    Member

    Dean please PM about this as I want to ensure we are not helping to enable this person to screw others.

    #659875
    Anonymous
    Inactive
    dean wrote:
    this person had or has decent placements in the search engines and i was to pay him $6,000 per week which was the approximate estimate for the number of members he would send me by giving me maximum exposure across his network

    God … I HATE flakey people! There is just no reason for it. If you have something to say to someone … just say it. Get it out in the open, discuss it, resolve it, get it over and done with and move on.

    Not answering e-mails and avoiding dealing with the issue is immature, unethical, unprofessional and just plain IGNORANT! Not to mention that playing games is not going to make an issue go away. It will continue to hang over your head until ultimately you’re going to have deal with it anyway.

    This whole scenario sounds rather strange. ? ?

    While he has definitely screwed you … it would seem he is also screwing himself. :confused:

    Six thousand dollars a week seems like a lot of money to blow off.

    If all he has to do is give you maximum exposure across his network and it will net him an additional $6000 each and every week … it doesn’t make any sense that he would not follow through.

    I would continue to try to resolve this matter to the satisfaction of both parties. ( I realize that is a bit difficult when the other party is a complete jack ass. )

    Try to find out why it is that the offer of $6000 a week is not enough to lite a fire under his flakey ass.

    Hell, for an additional $26,000 a month most of us would do just about anything !

    Need a private dancer ? :rollover:

    #659879
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    leaves me feeling very angry about the minority of dirty webmasters who will do anything to make a quick buck, and whose lack of integrity contaminates the pond for the majority of us.

    This is why I am always in favor of exposing such things.

    Everyone suffers the consequences of such behavior – not just the person who lost money.

    We are always quick to expose programs, even on shaky evidence. We need to be fair across the board and expose all who cheat/steal/defraud in this business.

    It needs to be cleaned up all the way, not selectively. Casinos cheating players, players cheating casinos, programs cheating affiliates and affiliates cheating programs – it should all be exposed if we want a clean and productive working environment.

    If this will be swept under the carpet like other items have before, at least Dean should be responding to private inquiries about who has done this. He has more freedom now than other affiliate managers in the same boat have had previously – he isn’t running a program anymore and doesn’t have to worry about backlash on that level.

    What an embarassment to not have these things dealt with! 😡

    #659880
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    I agree with most of the above. However find it startling how many people are ready to jump on their fellow affiliate before hearing both sides to the story.

    While he has definitely screwed you … it would seem he is also screwing himself.

    Heck, we don’t even know his/her name.

    #659881
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    If I was that affiliate, I would certainly take this opportunity to explain myself.

    There may well be another side to the story – maybe exposure was given and Dean didn’t notice it or something.

    Just sweeping it under the carpet isn’t going to help anyone.

    #659882
    Anonymous
    Guest
    LasVegasLady wrote:
    Hell, for an additional $26,000 a month most of us would do just about anything !

    Need a private dancer ? :rollover:

    :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

    #659890
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    I have been screwed so many times by people I have known liked and trusted in this business. Most of the time it is business people who get themselves in financial problems and then make deals they cannot come close to fulfulling. Then they either go out of business or blame my site for not converting.

    Here is my simple rule I live by and recommend, do not pre-pay for anything unless it is a well established advertising type biz and even then never put out large sums, it is too much of a temptation.

    Don’t mean to sound so negative but as this biz gets tougher and tougher we will see more desperate situations.

    Brian

    #659891
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    thanks for your feedback everyone

    its not my style to take things public and therefore will still debate it with myself as what to do. i would of course like to resolve it privately but its a little hard when i am being ignored. i will still ponder the situation and shoot this fellow one more email.

    the contract we have is an email trail which is very black and white , regardless i m still an old school businessman who would like to believe in peoples integrity and will do business with a handshake so to speak – i have all the proof i need and he has an exact copy of the same proof i have.

    as for being both sides of the story i really dont know what the other side could possibly be , i gave him $6000 for a supposed weekly deal , he never put up any additional links other than what he had as an affilaite through our program despite saying we would be plastered all over his sites. he admited and apologized to me 3 or 4 months ago when he returned $2000 of this ( i had to chase this up too btw ). i just dont see what i have done wrong , i have simply been sitting here waiting for him to send me traffic.

    professor i will pm you shortly

    cheers

    dean

    #659892
    Anonymous
    Inactive
    Quote:
    Here is my simple rule I live by and recommend, do not pre-pay for anything unless it is a well established advertising type biz and even then never put out large sums, it is too much of a temptation.

    Don’t mean to sound so negative but as this biz gets tougher and tougher we will see more desperate situations.

    Agree with this 100%… this is the rule that we generally follow. Unless we have a working history we simply don’t pre-pay. Depending on the situation we can work out flexible payment terms but no pre-pay.

    Been burned in the past as well… these individuals who don’t hold up their end of the deal hurt us all.

    #659893
    Anonymous
    Inactive
    islandmaan wrote:
    I have been screwed so many times by people I have known liked and trusted in this business. Most of the time it is business people who get themselves in financial problems and then make deals they cannot come close to fulfulling. Then they either go out of business or blame my site for not converting.

    Here is my simple rule I live by and recommend, do not pre-pay for anything unless it is a well established advertising type biz and even then never put out large sums, it is too much of a temptation.

    Don’t mean to sound so negative but as this biz gets tougher and tougher we will see more desperate situations.

    Brian

    i agree 100% i learned the hard way – we placed about $100,000 of prepaid deals in december 2003 and are still owed $80,000 of it, despite pre qualifying everyone of these people on how much traffic they could send and how long it would take to fill the order they all screwed us.

    the sad thing is they are still advertising people today and still writing new business yet have not filled our orders – and yes we have written signed contracts for all of them but none of them care.

    i wont make the same mistakes again thats for sure.

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