intercasino.com convert or not?

It’s a very reputable casino and affiliate program. I personally have little luck with it, but the majority of affiliates will tell you that they are happy with it.

It’s good for players and converts for affiliates. IMHO, is in top 10.

I’m with Dominique on this one.

Hi,

from a players pov I love it. Always have.

from an affs pov, the very best I can say about them is they seem to be the lesser of two evils (Focal Point) from the standpoint of the bottom line.

Focal point actually had better conversions for me but they never, in almost 5 years of promoting them; made me even enough money to justify the traffic I sent them. I’d avoid them like the plague.

IC makes me minimal money.

In my 5 years I have promoted both of them in top spots and in the case of IC; I wrote my sales pitch from the heart and as you might be aware, nothing sells better than something you believe in.

complete disappointment.

And you want to talk bad support. IC is king of the hill IMHO.

Its a damn shame I have to write this because I like the software so much, but I’d bet quite a large sum that if you went with either of the afore mentioned two as your main casinos to promote, that you won’t be here this time next year.

There are about 3 affs I can think of who have something really good to say about Focal Point. I can name many more who would strongly disagree with those 3 and I am one of them.

IC seems to have a bit more of a following, in respect to good things to say about them.

To give you an idea, not only did I promote both their casinos strongly at one time, but for a very long time I promoted the poker room of Focal Point because once again, I love to play there.

But in the same amount of time that I saw my earnings go up at some poker rooms to amounts of around 300, then 600, then nearly a grand a month, (abeit a large amount of that is from one really big whale), even if you figure it as a 1/3 from other players, that’s still $300 a month more than I ever saw from Focal’s poker room despite the fact that I personally walked about half a dozen players thru the sign up process and I used to see them in there playing.

After that was when I switched back over to IC though I had previously avoided them after having such a bad expereince with their support, or lack thereof.

since then I do at least see some profit every month, or most, from the poker room side of things, and the best thing I can say about them is that I am signed up under another aff (you can’t sign under your own links – stupid, since you’re generating money from the rakes you pay, but oh well), but anyway, the aff I am signed up under makes about $400 a month off the rakes I pay so I at least know that part of the system is working and tracking properly.

I did not have that luxury with Focal so I cannot say for certain whether they’re poker room tracks correctly or not, but I can say I was very disappointed with my results there after having spent so much time and prime space promoting them.

btw, in the same spots I saw Microgaming casinos climb to very nice levels. In case you were wondering.

Hi Dom,

I have always wondered what you considered to be a good income with Focal?

If there are so many people who are thrilled with Focal’s results; where are they?

I remember blackjack info had some good things to say, and frankly him/her and about one other person I’ve talked with had anything good to say about them.

As for all their awards. who gave them these awards? isn’t it possible that the people giving them these awards are the same “chosen few” who do well with them?

To be honest, i have been very restrained with them in how I really feel about them.

Krystall is the biggest and best example I can give. If she can’t make money with a program, there is something wrong.

I don’t have anything personal against any of the people at Focal, but I call a spade a spade and if anything, Focal has become a better sponsor due to my being on their ass, not the opposite.

I DO know for a fact that I have sent testers to them and had them not show up. Some of their answers for why the testers didn’t show up were an insult to my intelligence.

I have also noted in the past that I don’t know if it is Focal or CRypto- but there is something definitely wrong.

You said so yourself; if they’ve won all these fantastic awards and such, why is it there aren’t more affs jumping to their defense?

I love you Dom and if if I didn’t think we could agree to disagree, I’d not bother argueing with you.

as much as you think I have some personal agenda against Focal, I often wonder what or how much they pay you to talk them up.

Now that is said as tongue in cheek as anything you’ve said to me. But it is true and I swear its the first thing I think of every time I see you say something good about them.

We’ve asked this before of people here, how many have good things to say about Focal and how many don’t. The don’t outnumber the dos by a considerable amount.

I find that extremely strange since as you said, this is a place that has won so many awards etc; yet you’ve seen my stats; I would be very interested to see yours.

without having seen your stats, I’m guessing you’ve never made more than a 1000 any one month with Focal. A paltry amount when one considers what can be made even with a mediocre Microgaming casino.

I guess what bothers me most is that I DO like the software so much, yet it amazingly never makes any money. Awards and all.

I hope you don’t take this as a personal assualt because its not meant that way, but rather you were a bit more frank this time around so I responded with as much frankness.

I have several Microgaming properties that make several 1000 a month on a regular basis. I can truly say that none of them ever received the heart felt reviews that I gave IC and Focal.

I do know I can say that not only did I have one tester not show up at Focal, but as I stated I have hand-held about half a dozen players thru the process of signing and then SEEING them play in the poker room, yet check my stats and tell me you see any signs of any kind of extended play.

Focal has people literally right on top of everything that goes on there. I can write them about something and they get right back to me knowing exactly what I am talking about.

It has been my expereince that often when this happens its because a program is watching the stats closely so they can manipulate them before an affiliate has the chance to see what was going on.

I use captain cooks as a fantastic example of this. I had stopped promoting them a long time before, but every once in a while I log in and check stats at these types of programs at the end of the month just to see.

In this instance, the following change of month I logged in to see the money I had earned was no longer showing in my stats. What I gather from this is that since I was an aff who was no longer active, that they stopped keeping an eye on my stats closely and therefore the earnings stayed visible longer than they would have liked. And come the end of the month they noticed I’d made some money and not thinking I’d checked (because I usually don’t), they went ahead and deleted the earnings not knowing I’d seen them.

WHen I confronted them they gave me some bullshit excuse but in the end admitted they’d owed me the money.

Its not a long jump to think that this is also a possibility with Focal since they are always right on top of things.

I have no proof of this, and freely admit that. But I do know that I have given both focal and IC much, much more exposure than what my earnings show.

I have nothing to gain by posting against these places except to perhaps save others from my fate.

I recall seeing posts (I think at GPWA) about someone saying how they should not be playing at Focal instead of promoting them since they seem to have nothing but winners. I feel the same.

Nothing I can’t stand more than anything is somebody being nice to my face while pissing on my leg and telling me its raining.

This all has nothing to do with our relationship. We have disagreed before and likely will again. It doesn’t mean that I have anything against you, in fact I feel we balance each other, or at least you balance my sometimes over-zealousness which believe it or not; is a passion to save fellow friends from a similar fate; as opposed to causing harm to any one program.

Once I’ve moved on I frankly couldn’t care less what happens to these types of programs, UNTIL they present a possible harm to my friends. Then I get very damn passionate.

I’ve been doing this long enough now to be able to spot trouble early on. But I recall all the wasted time and prime space lost on attempting to promote these types of programs and would save my friends the same fate.

Many people won’t say anything. They make a minimal amount of money with such programs and though they don’t actively promote them any more; they fear losing what little they do make if they rock the boat.

I use the example of Ark’s problem with CR as another example. I have long been a fan of CR, love working with Brent, but you don’t see me running to their defense when Ark brings up some very valid points. And I’d be this month’s income from CR against your income from Focal this month; (which I’m sure blows away Focal’s earnings) that I stand to lose a lot more than you would from Focal if tables were turned.

I state that just not as a shot at you, but rather as proof that I say what I say not EVER out of a personal agenda, but rather out of it being the truth as I see it and as the evidence points out.

I want and need us to get along. Why would I risk all that to shoot down a program that I no longer have anything to do with; unless I was that passionate that by not saying anything, I as much as am standing by while watching a friend get screwed?

It just doesn’t make sense.

Consider this; Focal, if dirty, has little choice after all the hell I raise; but to make sure that they DO have at least a few happy affs. Would that be the case if nobody stood up and said something is wrong?

There is one last thing, which I’m just going to come out and say and I hope it doesn’t come across as an accusation, but rather I am explaining another reason I feel you are suspect to having ulterior motives.

I don’t know the whole story, but I do remember there being a big stink about your charging Focal for being their liason when back at the gpwa. IF that is true, it is not a long jump to consider that you may still be on their payroll to talk them up. One thing is for sure; and that is that you are in tight with them, or you’d not be so quick to their defense.

I am in tight with CR, yet you won’t catch me arguing facts that are coming in from numerous sources all claiming similar expereince.

I’ve laid it on the line. Probably to lack of my benefit since I’ve really nothing to gain by saying something and much to gain by simply shutting up and letting others find out for themselves.

I want us to get along and be friends and that is important to me. I promise you that if I knew a more politically correct way of saying things and still getting my point across that I would have chosen that path.

I truly hope you understand how much I mean that.

I do really well with Intercasino. The Captain recommended them to me and about eight or nine months ago I added them to my sites in limited placements.

They consistently produce excellent revenue for the traffic I send them, in fact I earned 20 times as much with them in one month as I did ALL YEAR with ALL the other Cryptologic Casinos I tried combined.

I have even been tempted to increase Intercasino’s exposure in 2005 due to the last few months of growth. So I give them two thumbs up.