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**mallai** · 10-21-2010 11:58 AM

Dear all!

We regret that a matter-of-fact discussion with a small group of affiliates is not possible at the moment. As a consequence we shut down the bewinner Facebook appearance for the time being.

We are pleased to keep you informed and will be back with our bewinner Facebook service and discussion panel soon.

Kind regards

your bewinners team

**Dominique** · 10-21-2010 12:02 PM

Why is it not possible?

**GFPC** · 10-21-2010 12:13 PM

Why did you shut down the page? Its a way for affiliates and bewinners to have communication. Please explain?

**GFPC** · 10-21-2010 01:05 PM

I welcome all Affiliates to call me on the phone :-) Will get a discussion group up shortly!

**The Pokerkeep** · 10-21-2010 07:25 PM

Big mistake Bwin - censorship is not the way to handle this!

**OBR** · 10-22-2010 04:59 AM

"small group of affiliates"
what a f joke you are.

**GFPC** · 10-22-2010 05:42 AM

still trying to get a good discussion going on the belosers site.. its working slow so i am contacting my host.. it may take a bit more time folks!!

**mallai** · 10-22-2010 10:25 AM

Hi all,

a matter-of-fact discussion was not possible as we want to discuss everything on a professional basis. Your account managers are happy to communicate with you whenever you feel the need for it, our head and the affiliate theam was at the BAC for a Q&A session 2 days long and we are actively communicating with you here and on the GPWA forum.
Please read all topic related threads here before you ask something we answered and talked about already.
And please be aware that we do not react on comments written in an unappropriate way using swearwords etc.

BR
bewinners

**Dominique** · 10-22-2010 08:20 PM

Well, I would very much like to know what you think about the retroactiveness of the new terms.

As I see it, Bwin has a contract with affiliates, in some cases for many many years. Affiliates adhered to their side of the contract.

Bwin now breaches that contract and that is just not right.

When these affiliates agreed to promote Bwin, they did so on the basis of a set of terms.

Now suddenly, Bwin changes the name of the affiliate program, starts a new site, and if affiliates want to get paid any portion of what is owed to them according to the contract, they have to sign away their rights to the excisting contract.

That is just not right, and I don't think it's legal. These are monies owed on services already delivered. You can't just stop payments on them.

Say you sold me a TV and I agree to pay $100 for it. You ship the TV and I accept it. But now I change my mind, I decide I am spending too much money on entertainment and so I only send you $50.

Is that legal? NO, of course not.

Of course Bwin can design a new program any way they like, and it's up to affiliates whether they want to work under those terms or not. But you can't do so retroactively, you do have to pay existing affiliates the monies you owe under the old contract. The new terms can only apply to new affiliates.

Anything else is breach of contract, and can be pursued in most any court in the world.

**GFPC** · 10-23-2010 10:12 AM

Hey guys,

I know many were upset about facebook being shut down. There is a new discussion group that is welcoming all affiliates to join to participate in the discussion of the bewinners program.
No censorship! No deleted posts!!!

Belosers.com - Discuss the Bewinners Affiliate Program - Index

Hope many can come - Bewinners is also welcome!

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