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    Quote Originally Posted by dolfan20 View Post
    I received the $200 minimum email from DSI as well, but nothing from Bookmaker. They are currently holding (stealing) $2,000 of my commission because I do not have 10 active players. Mind you I have over 50+ players over the last few years. These guys are real creeps and it is sad to see them flush a good rep down the toilet with this blatant greedy act.
    Ask ( is it Christine? ) to send your $2K to your DSI account... I think they did something similar with me ages ago because Betcris stopped taking US players.
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    Chrisitne works in the deoartment but the new guy is Keith and he is the one re'implementing this silly rule. I doubt they will transfer to the other book, because it is affiliate money and not player money.
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    I had a chat with the affiliate manager. He told me , essentially, that they are trying to get rid of the bottom affiliates and make the others work harder. He said, not in exact words, that Bookmaker has become a big dog on block and can call the shots. He laughed, he scoffed, he was very arrogant. They are simply following the age old "too big for britches" cliche. I told them to keep my 1500-2000 ($) as it is worth it to know what kind of company I was dealing with and distance myself. Obviosuly a company that changes rules midway through the race. I had been with them as affiliate since 2007 with no problems before now. Go ahead, email this guy. He is really full of himself: keith@bookmaker.com
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    Just when you didn't think it could get worse:

    Now (unless pending technical errors) you cannot even access "player balance" or "player open bets" in their stats.

    It's been like this all day and I hope it doesn't stay like this because this is one less way of knowing if your stats are honest. If stats stay this way, watch out, their doing it for a reason (which we know what that is.)


    This is so not cool

    Also Added: How hard do they expect you to work with/ for them? I'm not a big affiliate but I send them consistently about 100 visitors a month of organic seo traffic, and my conversions are terrible, I'm lucky if I get one sign-up every few months and one conversion every 5-6 months (I'm not exaggerating this either.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by xChrisx View Post
    Just when you didn't think it could get worse:

    Now (unless pending technical errors) you cannot even access "player balance" or "player open bets" in their stats.

    It's been like this all day and I hope it doesn't stay like this because this is one less way of knowing if your stats are honest. If stats stay this way, watch out, their doing it for a reason (which we know what that is.)


    This is so not cool
    You can pretty much consider BM and DSI company to be crooks at this point. They have simply made up their minds that affiliates are second class citizens. They steal from affiliates and have been lying to them for years now. If anybody reading this continues to work with DSI or CRIS or Bookmaker after this point, I am going to go ahead and get the "I told you so" out of the way now. I told you so. They are going to rip you off. They don't care anymore..
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    Well, scew them now, I know all the prepaid visa and mastercards that work w/ their processor each and every time. I'm going to report them to the CC companies, and I'm going to get as many people as I can to report their WU and MG receivers on a daily basis, it's a thought I had about 8 months ago, so I've been collecting data. I already asked WU if I video capture me logging into their site and requesting a WU receiver and forwarding it to them they can shut that receiver down immediately, so its time to fight back.

    Seriously, I can't do this myself but if we get a small handful of people to relentlessly do what I said above we can shut them down.. Especially on the WU and MG, ... but I imagine that most people deposit w/ prepaid gift cards, and I already have these transactions saved, it only takes a few emails on this one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xChrisx View Post
    Just when you didn't think it could get worse:

    Now (unless pending technical errors) you cannot even access "player balance" or "player open bets" in their stats.

    It's been like this all day and I hope it doesn't stay like this because this is one less way of knowing if your stats are honest. If stats stay this way, watch out, their doing it for a reason (which we know what that is.)


    This is so not cool

    Also Added: How hard do they expect you to work with/ for them? I'm not a big affiliate but I send them consistently about 100 visitors a month of organic seo traffic, and my conversions are terrible, I'm lucky if I get one sign-up every few months and one conversion every 5-6 months (I'm not exaggerating this either.)
    When I first started 10 years ago I liked the affiliate open bets section to simply survive. If I had a guy large on a game I would bet the same team for less to insure a profit somewhere else. What a shame they took that away from You newer folks.
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    Okay, let me elaborate on this. They use primarily 3 CC processors that they juggle around. They are tracked differently and apparently their processors are fronts from processors posing as service industry processors for online services and and IT.

    I know of 5 Visas, and 3 Mastercards that work each and every time w/ bookmaker deposits. This one is a no brainer, but if others do the same it's not hard to cover most US Card companies, and directly to VC/MC. The WU and MG is really easy but takes a quite a few people do do this. Video capture yourself logging into bookmaker or DSI, record logging in, going to chat, and requesting a WU and/or MG receiver (make sure you blackout your login, acct balance, etc, etc for anonymity, then immediately forward it to the WU/MG fraud department, they can shut the receiver down instantly I know this because I already asked. If we have everyone doing this bookmaker folds !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by xChrisx View Post
    Okay, let me elaborate on this. They use primarily 3 CC processors that they juggle around. They are tracked differently and apparently their processors are fronts from processors posing as service industry processors for online services and and IT.

    I know of 5 Visas, and 3 Mastercards that work each and every time w/ bookmaker deposits. This one is a no brainer, but if others do the same it's not hard to cover most US Card companies, and directly to VC/MC. The WU and MG is really easy but takes a quite a few people do do this. Video capture yourself logging into bookmaker or DSI, record logging in, going to chat, and requesting a WU and/or MG receiver (make sure you blackout your login, acct balance, etc, etc for anonymity, then immediately forward it to the WU/MG fraud department, they can shut the receiver down instantly I know this because I already asked. If we have everyone doing this bookmaker folds !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    as much as I would love to see them suffer, I do not want to see other , more honest sportsbooks, suffer. And if any of the others use the methods you are talking about, it wouldn't be the right thing to do. If we all just get the word out there to those in our industry that BM, CRIS, DSI are crooks, it will effetc their bottom line.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dolfan20 View Post
    as much as I would love to see them suffer, I do not want to see other , more honest sportsbooks, suffer. And if any of the others use the methods you are talking about, it wouldn't be the right thing to do. If we all just get the word out there to those in our industry that BM, CRIS, DSI are crooks, it will effetc their bottom line.
    To be completely honest, this is why I haven't done this yet. It's tempting though. I don't want affiliates (who have reached their quota to be affected, nor do I want players who chose to bet there to be penalized.) This is what has held me back on this all this time.
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