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  • #619963
    scorf
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    #806771
    GS – Jamie
    Member

    I had a deal with David Visser the director for Tower, for x8 unlimited bonus and 45% ngr or up to 65% gross deal. It seems that David is not the man of his words and refuses to pay affiliates. Attached above you will find the chat that we had over skype, i have also attached a chat i had with the manager from Ongame Network. According to David everything was fixed and the affiliate payment was processed, last week i discovered that they have yet to process my payment and i received an email from them soon after i contacted Ongame that my account has been blocked due to being a blacklisted affiliate in the network. Soon after this i contacted Carina Engstrom who is an account manager at Ongame and she said it was not true ( i have attached a print screen of our conversation. According to Tower Gaming this deal was never made and also my affiliate account was closed. I used to have a fullhouserakeback affiliate account which was closed before and David told me to create another account username- svet0321. I have attached both print screens above. I am not really sure what these guys are doing, but i know one thing, they keep on lying to cover up this dirty mess they have created. They continue to tell me that they will pay me, and when i request a date, they fail to reply. Please have a look at the print screens that i have sent you.

    [9/23/2009 4:08:57 PM] David Visser: hey man – just making adjustments to your aff account
    [9/23/2009 4:09:07 PM] David Visser: had to dio it manually lol
    [9/23/2009 4:09:42 PM] Bruno: Hey
    [9/23/2009 4:12:02 PM] Bruno: I sent you an email
    [9/23/2009 4:12:09 PM] Bruno: where you able to check it
    [9/23/2009 4:12:11 PM] Bruno: ?
    [9/23/2009 4:45:37 PM] Bruno: Hey David
    [9/23/2009 4:45:44 PM] Bruno: do you do gross deals?
    [9/23/2009 4:45:53 PM] Bruno: i have a big affiliate which is leaving Heypoker
    [9/23/2009 4:46:03 PM] Bruno: and he is looking for another Ongame skin
    [9/23/2009 4:47:28 PM] David Visser: brb – but want to chat – just an on going meeting |-(
    [9/23/2009 4:47:37 PM] Bruno: ok
    [9/23/2009 4:47:42 PM] Bruno: i am going to eat dinner
    [9/23/2009 4:47:45 PM] Bruno: be back as well
    [9/23/2009 5:35:09 PM] Bruno: I am back
    [9/23/2009 5:36:19 PM] David Visser: first I need you to sign up a new account – since ongame is still giving us grief
    [9/23/2009 5:36:34 PM] Bruno: uhh
    [9/23/2009 5:36:37 PM] David Visser: just don’t use your name – in the username
    [9/23/2009 5:36:43 PM] Bruno: are you serious
    [9/23/2009 5:36:45 PM] Bruno: lol
    [9/23/2009 5:36:59 PM] Bruno: are my players and $ going to be transfered
    [9/23/2009 5:37:00 PM] David Visser: I will tranfer your players and set up the commission
    [9/23/2009 5:37:08 PM] David Visser: today
    [9/23/2009 5:37:13 PM] Bruno: ok
    [9/23/2009 5:37:19 PM] Bruno: let me create it now
    [9/23/2009 5:37:26 PM] Bruno: so i just use a fake name?
    [9/23/2009 5:37:27 PM] David Visser: yes – they don’t want you to even be an affiliate
    [9/23/2009 5:38:04 PM] Bruno: Can i use my partners name instead
    [9/23/2009 5:38:05 PM] David Visser: yes just don’t use your name and put in your MB info
    [9/23/2009 5:38:21 PM] Bruno: I still have to create mb account
    [9/23/2009 5:38:28 PM] Bruno: can i add that later one
    [9/23/2009 5:38:39 PM] David Visser: yep
    [9/23/2009 5:46:59 PM] Bruno: Its giving me problems
    [9/23/2009 5:47:02 PM] Bruno: on the nick
    [9/23/2009 5:47:19 PM] Bruno: it says 3-12 numbers letters or characters
    [9/23/2009 5:47:22 PM] Bruno: i change it
    [9/23/2009 5:47:26 PM] Bruno: but it denies
    [9/23/2009 5:47:59 PM] David Visser: a new account?
    [9/23/2009 5:48:08 PM] Bruno: yeah
    [9/23/2009 5:48:19 PM] Bruno: its not allowing me
    [9/23/2009 5:48:49 PM] David Visser: what email? just use a diff email too
    [9/23/2009 5:48:57 PM] Bruno: i did
    [9/23/2009 5:49:46 PM] David Visser: 1 sec
    [9/23/2009 5:50:43 PM] David Visser: brb
    [9/23/2009 5:55:56 PM] Bruno: ok account is created
    [9/23/2009 5:56:07 PM] Bruno: username= svet0321

    [9/23/2009 6:25:35 PM] David Visser: ok – how did he come through that affiliate?
    [9/23/2009 6:25:46 PM] David Visser: did he not clear cookies?
    [9/23/2009 6:25:57 PM] Bruno: I am not sure
    [9/23/2009 6:26:04 PM] Bruno: he has been playing for 1-2 months
    [9/23/2009 6:26:12 PM] Bruno: and his bonus was finished
    [9/23/2009 6:26:15 PM] Bruno: i contacted tom
    [9/23/2009 6:26:20 PM] Bruno: he said to contact you
    [9/23/2009 6:26:24 PM] Bruno: since you deal with bonuses
    [9/23/2009 6:26:31 PM] Bruno: and he said the player is not tracked to me
    [9/23/2009 6:27:19 PM] David Visser: ok switched – but if that affiliate says somthing I will switch him back – I always play fair – for all parties
    [9/23/2009 6:28:58 PM] Bruno: so does that mean i have to create new trackers
    [9/23/2009 6:28:59 PM] Bruno: ?
    [9/23/2009 6:29:16 PM] Bruno: i have a big swedish player that is going to deposit this week
    [9/23/2009 6:29:19 PM] Bruno: and play
    [9/23/2009 6:29:27 PM] Bruno: along with his friends
    [9/23/2009 6:29:40 PM] Bruno: the old tracker will not work right?
    [9/23/2009 6:29:45 PM] David Visser: no I will send rake reports
    [9/23/2009 6:29:49 PM] David Visser: yep
    [9/23/2009 6:32:45 PM] David Visser: you will see all the players by tomorrow – when we regenerate – ok I think we have everything on track
    [9/23/2009 6:33:02 PM] Bruno: Did you get my email
    [9/23/2009 6:33:07 PM] David Visser: sorry it took so long – just needed to navigate the red tape
    [9/23/2009 6:33:08 PM] Bruno: on the bonus?
    [9/23/2009 6:33:33 PM] David Visser: yep – I will reply today
    [9/23/2009 6:33:47 PM] Bruno: for the future
    [9/23/2009 6:33:52 PM] Bruno: if you are busy
    [9/23/2009 6:33:56 PM] David Visser: just need to refreash my brain
    [9/23/2009 6:33:58 PM] Bruno: is tom able to add bonus
    [9/23/2009 6:34:01 PM] Bruno: or only you?
    [9/23/2009 6:34:02 PM] David Visser: no
    [9/23/2009 6:34:11 PM] David Visser: yes
    [9/23/2009 6:35:03 PM] Bruno: ok so you only
    [9/23/2009 6:35:14 PM] Bruno: What about gross deal?
    [9/23/2009 6:35:33 PM] Bruno: I have some big affiliates looking for gross deals
    [9/23/2009 6:35:36 PM] David Visser: you mean flat account
    [9/23/2009 6:35:52 PM] Bruno: yeah gross rev share
    [9/23/2009 6:35:53 PM] Bruno: %
    [9/23/2009 6:36:16 PM] Bruno: so they pay the bonus and races
    [9/23/2009 6:39:28 PM] David Visser: do you have an idea of the amount of rev?
    [9/23/2009 6:39:41 PM] Bruno: i have several
    [9/23/2009 6:39:48 PM] Bruno: ranging from 30k per month
    [9/23/2009 6:39:53 PM] Bruno: to 120k
    [9/23/2009 6:40:22 PM] Bruno: 60-65%
    [9/23/2009 6:41:03 PM] David Visser: wow – just this is a risky venture – I set them up on a 1 on 1 basis
    [9/23/2009 6:41:25 PM] Bruno: risky if they dont rake much
    [9/23/2009 6:41:28 PM] Bruno:
    [9/23/2009 6:41:48 PM] Bruno: I mean if i get a big affiliate
    [9/23/2009 6:41:49 PM] David Visser: yes that is correct
    [9/23/2009 6:41:55 PM] Bruno: looking for gross deal
    [9/23/2009 6:42:03 PM] Bruno: and lets say you can arrange this
    [9/23/2009 6:42:08 PM] Bruno: based on performance
    [9/23/2009 6:43:29 PM] David Visser: I will set them up under you – but they have to keep everything on the downlow

    [9/29/2009 2:00:35 PM] David Visser: just the man I need to talk to
    [9/29/2009 2:00:50 PM] Bruno: hey david
    [9/29/2009 2:02:14 PM] David Visser: you wanted a full flat account right?
    [9/29/2009 2:03:08 PM] Bruno: what do you mean?
    [9/29/2009 2:03:15 PM] David Visser: the only reason I ask is your have 1400 in bonuses
    [9/29/2009 2:03:34 PM] David Visser: you want a no bonus account
    [9/29/2009 2:03:51 PM] Bruno: yeah but we agreed on x8 unlimited
    [9/29/2009 2:03:57 PM] Bruno: the bonus are not being given to players
    [9/29/2009 2:04:03 PM] David Visser: oh ok that is what I thought
    [9/29/2009 2:04:38 PM] David Visser: so a reg account – fyi if you have heads up players let me know and I will set up a flat account to
    [9/29/2009 2:04:57 PM] Bruno: ok
    [9/29/2009 2:05:06 PM] Bruno: how are we going to deal with the following players
    [9/29/2009 2:05:15 PM] Bruno: that havent received the bonus?
    [9/29/2009 2:05:25 PM] David Visser: (y) – sorry for the delay again we are updating our affiliate back end and it will be very sharp
    [9/29/2009 2:05:42 PM] Bruno: no problem adrian told me yesterday
    [9/29/2009 2:05:49 PM] David Visser: they all have – but I have them set up on 8x
    [9/29/2009 2:06:03 PM] Bruno: i was just looking for a print screen to calculate
    [9/29/2009 2:06:06 PM] Bruno: the %
    [9/29/2009 2:07:02 PM] David Visser: yea Adrian is sending it to you now
    [9/29/2009 2:07:54 PM] Bruno: what do i tell my main player
    [9/29/2009 2:08:02 PM] Bruno: that has been complaing about the bonus
    [9/29/2009 2:08:07 PM] Bruno: will the amount be sent to his account
    [9/29/2009 2:08:15 PM] Bruno: or i will have to credit him?
    [9/29/2009 2:16:01 PM] David Visser: no I have that covered
    [9/29/2009 2:16:23 PM] David Visser: the bonuses will be in his account

    I guess Tower Gaming received direct 30k fine from Ongame so now they fail to pay affiliates.

    Here is my conversation with Ongame Managerand let me know if you need to see the print screens which i have already sent to Ongame so you can see how Tower is lying.

    [11/20/2009 1:55:39 PM] Ongame Manager: they are saying that they will pay you here
    [11/20/2009 1:56:05 PM] Bruno: I heard this story since sept
    [11/20/2009 1:56:23 PM] Bruno: Now that i contact them via email
    [11/20/2009 1:56:34 PM] Bruno: to get a date when the payment is going to be processed
    [11/20/2009 1:56:38 PM] Bruno: i get no reply
    [11/20/2009 1:58:52 PM] Ongame Manager: im sorry to hear that. As you know we are sending warnings to partners when aff. are giving rakeback to their partners. If they have found out that this is the case it is probably why they do not wanna pay
    [11/20/2009 1:59:40 PM] Ongame Manager: as you understand we will not encourage partners to pay our RB money to your players
    [11/20/2009 2:00:18 PM] Bruno: I am talking about the commission
    [11/20/2009 2:00:24 PM] Bruno: which he promised me
    [11/20/2009 2:00:25 PM] Ongame Manager: i can see that they are just lying about a fee and that we are blacklisting, which is not the case at all
    [11/20/2009 2:00:34 PM] Bruno: Yeah i know
    [11/20/2009 2:00:39 PM] Bruno: how can i be blacklisted
    [11/20/2009 2:00:46 PM] Bruno: when i wasnt even an affiliate
    [11/20/2009 2:00:58 PM] Bruno: and now they made up some lie about rakeback
    [11/20/2009 2:01:02 PM | Edited 2:01:11 PM] Carina Engström: we have not blacklisted anyone
    [11/20/2009 2:01:10 PM] Bruno: yeah i know
    [11/20/2009 2:01:24 PM] Ongame Manager: this is totally on tower
    [11/20/2009 2:01:35 PM] Bruno: This David Visser is a coward, thats his way to avoid confrontation
    [11/20/2009 2:01:48 PM] Bruno: put the blame that i am blacklisted
    [11/20/2009 2:01:56 PM] Ongame Manager: that is a lie
    [11/20/2009 2:02:15 PM] Bruno: Can you ask them when they will pay me
    [11/20/2009 2:02:25 PM] Bruno: They are not replying to me
    [11/20/2009 2:03:50 PM] Ongame Manager: we will bring this up with them yes
    [11/20/2009 2:06:12 PM] Bruno: thanks alot carina
    [11/20/2009 2:06:34 PM] Bruno: I also sent you print screens how this guy is lying

    So as a matter of fact I was never warned, the truth is that my account was closed and the same day i received the following email from them

    Bruno

    After going over your account we were hoping to pay out your commissions. But due to Ongame and Ongame policies, it has come to our attention that you are paying rakeback to your players. Ongame has informed us that you are a black listed affiliate on the Network. We would like to pay out the commissions on your account, but we do not have your account payment details.

    Keep in mind this will be the last time Toweraffiliates will pay your account. Please do not promote Towergaming at anytime.

    Tower Affiliate Team

    SO YOU TELL ME HOW IS THE SITUATION RESOLVED WHEN YOU SEND A email saying you will pay the affiliate and you never do??????????

    After all of this, these people have the courage to write you the following email, when their director of affiliates proposed you the deal. This all occured, because the bonus that he offered was never added to the player, so after the months the player started to contact me about his bonus and payments and according to Mr David Visser everything was taking care of . THESE PEOPLE ARE A BUNCH OF SCAMMERS. i will post the email that he sent me

    #806813
    scorf
    Member

    Wow…Tisk tisk

    #806815
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Multirake,

    I have given you an infraction.

    Posting the same post over and over in different threads is considered spam.

    Since you may not have known this, it is an infraction for now.

    There is an open thread you created that you can post in. Spam posts get deleted.

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