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    100 million brain cells voted and put you in charge of their body. They could have voted differently and put another "you" in charge, but they didn't. These brain cells are representative of who you are. You are their leader.

    So if you turn out to be a total idiot whose fault is it? Your brain cells, right?

    The same applies in a democracy.
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    Maybe...., but my brain cells weren't lucky enough to have a brother in charge of the State of Florida!
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    I think most Americans, those who aren't pacifists, are in favor of a strong military and not letting "other people" **** with us. What differs and what the fight is usually about it is "when we should pull the trigger" and when we should "let up".
    interesting, so according to you who has been trying to **** with america? name one country that has tried to do that.

    i'm quite flabbergasted by your comment. you don't have to be a pacifist to realize that nobody is attacking you. your government is making a virtual enemy in order to enforce its interest in such places that the majority of your own citizens dont even know where the **** it is on the map. wowa viva man...nothing personal, but i expected better.

    Americans no longer have a government that is for the people and by the people. They have a government for and by special interests and an insane ideology.

    But Americans have war, which lets them take out all their frustrations, resentments, and disappointments on “Muslim terrorists” and “Russian aggressors.” Few Americans are disturbed that 1.25 million Iraqis and an unknown number of Afghans have died as a result of American invasions based on Bush regime lies and deceptions. Even Americans, like Senator Biden, Obama’s selection for vice president, who understand that the wars are based on lies, still want the US to win. So, it was all a mistake and a deception, but let’s win anyway and keep on killing.

    I know people who still complain that the US did not nuke North Vietnam. When I ask why Vietnam should have been nuked, they reply, “if we had nuked them we would have won.”

    What would America have won? The answer is world loathing and the loss of the cold war.

    For many Americans, war is like a sports contest in which they take vicarious pleasure and cheer on their side to victory. Millions of Americans are still bitter that “the liberal media” and war protesters caused America to lose the Vietnam war, and they are determined that this won’t happen again. These Americans have no realization that there was no more reason for the US to be fighting in Vietnam 40 years ago than to be fighting today in Iraq and Afghanistan or tomorrow in Iran.
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    I didn't advocate the position or policy, i just stated my analysis. You wonder why Bush was elected/relected and still doesn't care about public opinion.. Well that's why it all worked for him.

    Don't shoot the messenger.

    My point:
    People who like to pretend the US government is a separate entity from the american people, because "American's are so nice" are pretty naive. George W had 70+% support when he started the war in iraq, including all those "Nice Americans".

    US public opinion shifts, then people who a year ago were calling you a traitor for voting for John Kerry are suddenly claiming "I didn't vote for bush".

    Hodgey -
    You've got it right, the sun is setting on the US period of super/unitary power, akin to the UK following WWII. Frankly my concern is that the US will descend into a world somewhere between real life UK in the late 60's/early 70's and A Clockwork Orange.
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    Hi all,

    actually there's more common sense approach here than you'd think.

    Thing is we tried to keep W out and it didn't work. twice. We've had plenty of ****ty leaders before ... its easier to wait them out than start a revolution and that's about what it takes once they are in.

    you hope they don't wreck the boat beyond fixing before their time is over. W is proving that's a bad formula but US is so apothetic that unless it bites us in our OWN respective ass ... we might bitch about it ... might even send a nasty email to our reps ... but that's about it.

    and things go downhill fast from that point. we shouldn't have to be our leader's watchdogs ... but with the idiots we vote in ... we need casino type government where we have "eyes in the sky" to keep the moron with the affluent daddy or the pretty white smile, ... from blowin' up the freakin' world.

    I disagree with the statements that we look at war as a sports contest. I think the only ones hard enough to think that way are the old cronies who are in office that obviously don't even care for their own decendants or they'd be raising hell about the real issues we need to be facing like the fact that look at all we've done to our environment in only 50 years. As long as this place has been around we've done considerable ...almost toppling damage in an amount of time that is equivalent to a drop in a very big bucket.
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    ps.

    people supported W's rage into Iraq because they were told there were weapons of mass destruct.

    you can watch the approval fall of W ... as each day passed and there wasn't any proof provided.

    frankly I am amazed that wasn't fabricated to be honest. If they'd have found something I would have always wondered if we planted it?
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    Glad to see I am not the only confused activist / pacifist here.
    On the one hand, yeah it's down with terrorism and evil
    But on the other hand you can't ignore other places where evil is rampant and not get involved because you don't have any interest in placing troops there (oil)
    As a leader of a SUPER POWER you kind of have to be uniform on your foreign policy.
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    A uniform and consistent foreign policy for the US would be great, not just between democratic and republican white houses, but from within each white house.

    US policy has been consistently about "free markets and "free elections", unfortunately that gets shoved to the side, when the monarchs of the middle east have all that oil. Or people like Mubarek in Egypt are crushing the islamic movement, that the US is fighting, in very undemocratic ways.

    The US foreign policy "Brand" has been pretty consistent, it's just that the reality behind the brand isn't always in sync.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bb1webs View Post
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    frankly I am amazed that wasn't fabricated to be honest.
    The WMD's were fabricated, but not by the US, Saddam himself admitted that he fabricated much of it out of fear of Iran.
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    Think the nukes are being fabricated by Ahmadinejad?
    Wishful thinking huh!
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