Thread: Cirrus Casino payment due to take almost ONE YEAR!

I was advised to enlist the help of The Professor and thus I have sent him a message telling him of my problem.

I will update you with the results of this when he gets back to me...

Hi Nhalks,

I understand your frustration.

The issue here is that it is possible to gain an edge over the casino due to the bonuses online casino's offer and which you forgot to mention you had accepted (which is why some people would say we have the advantage when the casinos don’t have an advantage thanks to the bonuses you took).

Some players, I'm not saying you are one, come to an online casino, accept a bonus and play Blackjack with a strategy. Since playing strategic BJ has such a small edge, it is easy to grind through some playthrough and cash out. Basically it is possible to gain a mathematical edge with a bonus, which is why some people dedicate themselves to the profession of "bonus whoring". These people don't play for recreational purposes and they generally find harsh rules like these being applied to them since casinos (both online and off) do not want the business of people like this.

I can see you have been lumped into this category based on many different factors (again, I'm not saying they are right).

In any Vegas casino if you are deemed an advanced player (card counting for example) they would treat you with the same disregard.

I sincerely do apologize for your negative experience and I will push to make sure your payout goes out sooner.

Kind Regards,
Nicolas Johnson
GamblingWages Affiliate Manager

Hi Kwblue,

I understand your frustration. However, please keep in mind it is standard for online casinos to offer bonuses. I can’t imagine one that can stay in competition without offering a bonus.

About everyone playing and winning on blackjack being qualified as a bonus abuser this is not true. The player admitted using a blackjack strategy. He is a young man that just joined the casino, used a bonus that played with close to perfect strategy gives him a considerable edge over the casino, won big and withdrew. With this alone most profiling will start qualifying him as an advanced player.

However, I never called him an advanced player and much less a bonus whore, nor would I. I was merely explaining to him that there are people who take online gambling as something more then recreational, and those people are not treated well (he seemed to be unaware of this). Just like a card counter won’t be treated well in Vegas. Winning alone doesn’t qualify you as an advanced player, but the way you win, is what will give you that qualification.

I go to the local casinos on a semi-regular basis. I generally use a bonus and play with some strategy, but not a mathematically calculated one. When I go to the casino I go for fun, I hope to win money, but I play to have fun. I don’t go calculating everything to get an edge (card counting, perfect strategy). Because I know that is not the spirit of the game and if I abuse it, I will be thrown out, like I should be, both here, in Vegas and in any other casino around the globe.

With all this said, I am not discussing whether he is or isn’t an advanced player. He has been lumped into this category of advanced players by the casino. Right or wrong, I am trying to help him. But don’t dismiss the fact that online casinos are constantly battling against Bonus Abuse and rules like this one are an example of the controls in place to restrict this activity.

Kind Regards,
Nicolas Johnson
GamblingWages Affiliate Manager

Dear Nicolas and others

I have posted in the GW forum but have noticed the posts here and thus will respond here also.

Nicolas, you say I admitted to using a strategy, what I actually said was that I have picked up a strategy from times of losing. After much research, I cannot believe now that I did not even use one of the strategy's that I have now found online. My strategy consisted of hitting with less than 16 when the dealer showed a 10, standing when the dealer has a 6 or less and I have more than 11, and always doubling with 10 and 11 - ask me of anything else and my knowledge is non-existent. For eg. what should you do with regards to insurance against an Ace?- As my account history will show I just never take it, is this a bad move? - thinking of it now as a 10 is the most likely card then maybe I should take the insurance every time? I dunno I was drunk and I just played how I fancied - though now I realised I should have followed a proper strategy.

I also play for fun, but I also hope to win money, I wish I could profess to having made 'mathematically calculated' bets but unfortunately I am a politics student not a mathematics student.

I do understand the issuance of bonuses - the only way a casino can stand out these days is by offering a good bonus offer. Of course these bonuses bring risks, a bonus hunter can gain a slight edge over a casino by using one - but this is a risk a casino must take and there should not be an issue when someone wins after having used one.

However, I urge you to stop referring to bonus abuse in my case. I deposited $100 with a $100 no restrictions no max cash out bonus. However, I instantly made relatively large bets (at least $10, often $25) and when I had made more money I was sometimes making $400 bets, this surely makes me exempt from 'bonus whore' classification. Furthermore, as my winnings are $10,000 then surely the original $100 bonus is completely irrelevant.

In your post, you seem to compare me to a card counter! I only wish this was true but unfortunately I am not. Nor do I indulge or am capable of any behaviour that is equivalent to that in the online world.

I have the uttermost respect for vigilance against bonus abusers - I am a happy go lucky gambler that does not like the fact that someone could mathematically get a better deal than me. However, as I have mentioned in my GW post but will repeat here for clarity, my account history shows that I am not a Bonus Abuser...

I deposited $100 with the 'SHOTGUN' 100% match up, no restrictions, no max cash out bonus with a 50x playthrough.

Out of the numerous promotional bonuses that I was emailed, I chose the aforementioned one precisely because it had no max cash out and I could play my favourite game, Blackjack. There were numerous better percentage bonuses available which I am sure would have appealed more to a bonus whore.

I bet fast and loose from the outset, making $10, $20, $50 bets on Blackjack and additioanlly playing some slots.

Thanking my lucky stars, I made it to $800 and withdrew.

I then cancelled my withdrawal, gambled more and made bigger bets, eventually ending up with a $2000 bankroll and again withdrew.

I still hadn't had enough and cancelled the withdrawal again and played more blackjack and slots - reaching $4000!!

If this wasn't enough (bare in mind I am a student and would lick a man's shoe for a free pint - I really would!) I demonstrated the fact I am a pure gambler even more by again cancelling my deposit and this time making bets of up to $400, until I finally reached $10,000.

Now, gambler or not, I had to withdraw and stick with it this time, you cannot blame me for that, this will pay off a few credit cards!

My main point is that I am evidently not, by any measures, a bonus whore and thus should not be treated as such. Therefore I believe I should recieve my payout as any other player would, which I assume is promptly and in a lump sum.

Again, thanks for your involvement in this issue.

Yours Faithfully

Nicholas Halksworth
nhalks

Nhalks, I am glad to hear your matter is being looked into and am hoping to see it fairly resolved as soon as possible. I am also glad to report that I am currently in contact with Nicolas, who will handle my dispute from now on.
I will update visitors of CAP forum once there is an update.

Tribun, yes I think it looks now that Nicolas has realised that I am by no means an 'advanced player' or bonus whore and so hopefully I should get my money in a lump sum as any other player would (Although I am yet to be told anything).

I'm glad to hear that your issue is being looked into also and good luck with that, I too will keep a daily update on the status of my payout going in this thread.