Thread: Cirrus Casino payment due to take almost ONE YEAR! - Page 2

Originally Posted by GamblingWages

Hi Kwblue,

I understand your frustration. However, please keep in mind it is standard for online casinos to offer bonuses. I can’t imagine one that can stay in competition without offering a bonus.

About everyone playing and winning on blackjack being qualified as a bonus abuser this is not true. The player admitted using a blackjack strategy. He is a young man that just joined the casino, used a bonus that played with close to perfect strategy gives him a considerable edge over the casino, won big and withdrew. With this alone most profiling will start qualifying him as an advanced player.

However, I never called him an advanced player and much less a bonus whore, nor would I. I was merely explaining to him that there are people who take online gambling as something more then recreational, and those people are not treated well (he seemed to be unaware of this). Just like a card counter won’t be treated well in Vegas. Winning alone doesn’t qualify you as an advanced player, but the way you win, is what will give you that qualification.

I go to the local casinos on a semi-regular basis. I generally use a bonus and play with some strategy, but not a mathematically calculated one. When I go to the casino I go for fun, I hope to win money, but I play to have fun. I don’t go calculating everything to get an edge (card counting, perfect strategy). Because I know that is not the spirit of the game and if I abuse it, I will be thrown out, like I should be, both here, in Vegas and in any other casino around the globe.

With all this said, I am not discussing whether he is or isn’t an advanced player. He has been lumped into this category of advanced players by the casino. Right or wrong, I am trying to help him. But don’t dismiss the fact that online casinos are constantly battling against Bonus Abuse and rules like this one are an example of the controls in place to restrict this activity.

Kind Regards,
Nicolas Johnson
GamblingWages Affiliate Manager

then why do all casino gift shops sell blackjack strategy cards , telling you when to hit and when to stand , and people use them at the table . Are all these people playing optimal strategy and should be thrown out.

As for gambling to have fun , i have never met a gambler who doesnt play to win , it is bull**** that someone plays to have fun , show me one person besides yourself that only plays for fun and does not care if they lose . Remember gamblig is only fun if you win .

Then another thing you only gave him a $100 bonus , he won 10K , i can understand if you gave him a 10k bonus and he grinded it out by opposit betting on roulette ,

Some one turning 200 into 10k had an incredible run of cards , this is ot bonus abuse ,

The player admitted using a blackjack strategy. He is a young man that just joined the casino, used a bonus that played with close to perfect strategy gives him a considerable edge over the casino, won big and withdrew. With this alone most profiling will start qualifying him as an advanced player.

I can't believe I am reading this! Did i get that right? That a player who uses a "perfect strategy" is breaking the rules? This is exactly the type of thing that gives online casino gambling a bad name.

If the game is a proper game, it will still have a house edge and no strategy can beat that, merely minimise it. If a strategy can beat the house edge, with or without the help of a bonus,then there is something wrong at the casino end, not the player end and he should be paid properly and on time.

In regards to how "Vegas casinos" approach this, sure they may ask a player to leave their casino but they will pay him first if he hasn't cheated - and using a strategy isn't cheating. Every casino has the right to refuse a player for any reason as far as I am aware, but if they accept one, and one who has not acted fraudulently of dishonestly, they honour their terms and pay him before they lock him out.

Cirrus have a terrible reputation among players (and why on earth affiliates promote them I really don't know) but if they want to try and change for the better then they should start by treating the player fairly at the very least.

Tribun, have you ever heard the saying "money talks". You only get certified if you pay the monthly fee.

it's amazing that you continue to post such nonsense. We told you that we would not hesitate to post the real stats and facts, so here they are for everyone to see. Hopefully people will make up their own minds about listening to your constant and completely unfounded complaints:

We checked the records going back 5 years with ALL the casino partners GamblingWages represents and have the following to report:

You had 2 accounts set up at Cirrus Casino before you were BANNED for Bonus Abuse.

In the first account you made total deposits of $4,120 – every deposit being used for a bonus, and were PAID $4,750 via Neteller. We are also pleased if you want to post the payment confirmations.

Of this payment, you requested that $2,000 be used to set up a new high roller account, which was done.

In this new account you made total deposits of $6,500 (including the $2,000 transfer) – every deposit being used for a bonus, and were PAID $7,610 via Neteller.

So you made total deposits of $11,250, and were PAID $12,360 via Neteller. You MADE a total of $1,110 from these casinos using bonuses given and made no further deposits.

There are no current or past balances or pending payments due to you in any account.

Further, we were told by the casino that you were BANNED for Bonus Abuse on March 8, 2005. Apparently you used multiple accounts for abusing bonuses and coupons.

It is important to note that apparently you are NOT welcome to play and are BANNED at a large number of other casinos as well, based on a long history of bonus abuse.

We are proud to represent our casino partners, and are proud that even though they have had issues with late payments that every player who has ever won money has been paid in full PERIOD. It is unfortunate that this industry attracts many bonus abusers, and we support our casino partners – and ALL casinos – who take action to ban such abuse.

GamblingWages.com

Tribun asked me to remove his real name and I did.

Whilst this may be a little off the issue of Cirrus Casino - this is just one of many posts that I have read where the casino uses the excuse of "bonus abuser" when all else fails.
Personally I believe that if all online casinos stopped offering bonuses completely then they would all be on an equal footing and it would solve loads of problems.....however if they did, then they would have no excuse not to pay a player so I doubt that will happen.

The next solution would be for casinos to give players the option to choose whether they want the bonus or not.
I know that with RTG casinos you have to specifically put in a coupon code so its not automatic but then they should clearly state that if you do take their bonuses then you will be "flagged" as a "bonus abuser"

Some casinos - and playtech comes to mind here - automatically credits the player with a bonus which I don't think is good practise.

All in all I say the casinos should do away with free money and bonuses completely.