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    Default RTG & Player Bonuses Deducted From Rev?

    Can someone explain to me how the player bonuses work with RTG programs. When checking my stats at a few of them, it looks like they deduct all credits and bonuses given to players from the gross win. If thats the case, that doesn't really seem right that affiliates are dinged for these bonuses like they were some kind of withdrawal or real money paid out by the casino. It's fantasy money unless there is a genuine win by a player isn't it? I mean if that bonus money comes back in the door shouldn't it be a wash as far as the affiliate is concerned? Maybe I am misunderstanding the way this works with RTG. I think I recall a conversation from an aff manager some time ago about how this money is like new money and has to be paid back to the software provider or something similar. But I think that was a playtech program. Anyway, if anyone can break this down so I understand exactly what is going on with my money I would appreciate it. I just want to understand.
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    its not just rtg that work this way - most places are the same.

    Think of it this way :
    Bonus funds are not real money that can ever be won by the casino - so there is no way that you are ever paid for it. It's deducted from any REAL player losses.

    A simple example may help :

    A player joins up and deposits $200 on a 100% bonus and then plays all $400 and loses it all.

    Now - how much profit can the casino make?
    - $400? No.
    - Only the $200 deposit.

    So real profit is :
    - $400 gross less $200 bonus = $200 net to be shared with the affiliate.

    It's no more complex than that.
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    well said Paul! doesn't get simpler then that

    a bad sign of an affiliate program would be if they subtract bonuses from commissions as opposed to deducting them from gross revenue...
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    the problem is when they close accounts with n/d bonuses and deduct bonuses from your commission.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGooner View Post
    its not just rtg that work this way - most places are the same.

    Think of it this way :
    Bonus funds are not real money that can ever be won by the casino - so there is no way that you are ever paid for it. It's deducted from any REAL player losses.

    A simple example may help :

    A player joins up and deposits $200 on a 100% bonus and then plays all $400 and loses it all.

    Now - how much profit can the casino make?
    - $400? No.
    - Only the $200 deposit.

    So real profit is :
    - $400 gross less $200 bonus = $200 net to be shared with the affiliate.

    It's no more complex than that.
    I get that guys, what I wanted to ascertain was that affiliates are not being dinged if a player is given a bonus and loses it all back. I thought I read a thread one time saying that even if a player loses back bonus money, we are still paying 30% of the bonus money given to them even if the money came back in the door. I know there was a thread somewhere about this and I wasn't happy about what I learned, I just can't remember the details. Or maybe it was a dream, and thats why I woke up in a cold sweat yelling horse **** last night.
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    Some RTG operators award an excessive amount of bonuses and manager credits. These bonuses and credits often far outweigh deposits and it almost appears that this is a creative way of ensuring affiliates receive little or no commission. See my actual stats below for an illustration:

    Number of Clickthroughs: 159
    Number of Downloaders: 11
    Number of Players: 10
    Number of New Depositors: 0
    Total Initial Deposits: $0.00
    Total Deposits: $2,339.00
    Net Win: $3,394.84

    Coupon Amounts Awarded: $1,174.00
    Manager Credit Amounts Awarded: $3,379.00

    ChargeBacks: $0.00
    Net Profit: (Net Win - Coupons - Credits - Chargebacks) ($1,171.68)
    Amount Deducted: $14.92
    Amount Miscellaneous Adjustments: $0.00
    Amount Added For Reversed Bans: $0.00
    Amount Earned: ($351.50)
    Amount Earned From Tiers: $0.00
    Amount Accrued This Period: ($366.42)
    Ok so my players DEPOSIT $2,339.00
    The Casino shows net winnings for the month of $3,394.84

    BUT they CLAIM a total of $4553 in Bonus Coupons and Manager Credits so I receive NOTHING! In fact they are showing I have a negative commission balance of $351!!!!

    I am sorry but ONLY RTG operators do this. I have NEVER seen a Microgaming or even a Playtech Operator do this to cancel out affiliate earnings.

    At the very LEAST I should have earned $3394.84 x 35% = $1,187.90Not ended up with a negative balance. While I can understand player bonues, it APPEARS that "Manager Credits" are used as a convenient way to rob me of commissions.
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    Yea, this is more along the lines of what I was driving at. So they are sitting there collecting dividends on real money lost, meanwhile they put some fantasy money in these accounts and ding you. Bonus money should not even become part of the equation unless there is a cashout. I wonder when all is said and done what our real % is. It certainly would not be 35% under these circumstances. It's really quite amazing how crapy some of these business models are. They turn a profit, while we are left holding our XXXX in our hand.

    Quote Originally Posted by Professor View Post
    Some RTG operators award an excessive amount of bonuses and manager credits. These bonuses and credits often far outweigh deposits and it almost appears that this is a creative way of ensuring affiliates receive little or no commission. See my actual stats below for an illustration:



    Ok so my players DEPOSIT $2,339.00
    The Casino shows net winnings for the month of $3,394.84

    BUT they CLAIM a total of $4553 in Bonus Coupons and Manager Credits so I receive NOTHING! In fact they are showing I have a negative commission balance of $351!!!!

    I am sorry but ONLY RTG operators do this. I have NEVER seen a Microgaming or even a Playtech Operator do this to cancel out affiliate earnings.

    At the very LEAST I should have earned $3394.84 x 35% = $1,187.90Not ended up with a negative balance. While I can understand player bonues, it APPEARS that "Manager Credits" are used as a convenient way to rob me of commissions.
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    I agree, this is just stealing and nothing more...

    Even the coupons are out of the norm. When you look at those numbers from the Professor, you will see that:

    50.2% is given out in regular bonuses (50.2% of the deposits)

    144.5% is given out as 'Manager Credits' (144.5% of the deposits)

    Totalizing 194.7% in Bonuses.

    Something is not right here... There is no way a casino would give out nearly 200% in bonuses like this. It adds up even less when you are talking about multiple players and $0 in initial deposits (where many bonuses are tied to).


    Looks to me like complete affiliate fraud - Who is this organization?
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    Lets just say this Casino's name reflects their stats..... Cloudy (Not Warren Cloud, I wouldnt promote that group).
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    Hmm... I've never heard of Ripoff Casino or Steal Your Commissions Gaming
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