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Good day all,
There must be something I am doing wrong. I have a fair load of traffic coming into my sites and hte conversions on most programs are good. The problem is with the Crypto casinos.
I get some (very few though) conversions on Partnerlogic, but despite the clicks that have gone through to Focalclick, I have never gotten a player through them. I see that there are quite a few downloads and that players register, but not a $ to date.
This seems very strange and baffles Ryan from Focalclick as well.
Has anyone had this problem? I have only heard good things about the programs so I am confused.
Any suggestions?
I have the same problem and am equally mystified by this as I do well with Partnerlogic and they have LESS expsoure then the Focal Click properties.
I havent given up on them, but the lack of conversions is frustrating.
It is good to see others are struggling as well. (well not good in THAT way).
I will run them until end of May to give them a fair chance. If I still get no love from them I would sadly have to file for affiliate divorce here.
I have the same problem with focalclick.
I haven’t increased their exposure because of that reason.Conversions could be better but retention is good – the recurring bonuses are nice and still don’t go overboard like some RTG.
I have been experimenting with the new game specific landing pages and recording results – definite improvement.
Using the Slots landing page over a weekend I got :
Clicks 168
Downloads 58
Registrations 12
New Real Money Players 2I made note of it because it was an improvement. I’m fine with that result. Knowing my traffic, one real player for every onehundred clicks is a decent expectation. You may expect better or worse conversions, depending on the type of traffic you use.
I’m using the blackjack landing page, starting early this month. Results so far are quite good, with one new real player per 69 clicks.
Hi,
I pretty much have pulled most their links because even when I do get a player, its always for little income.I like all the people at FC but cannot afford to send traffic that produces so much more income other places, to a site that can’t seem to land the big player.
FC hasn’t changed much over the years I have been affiliated with them in terms of profitability.
At this point, after doing so much better with partner, I can’t say I’d recommend them.
The Sands $88,621.25 $2,055.90 24 71
49er Online Casino™ $6,311.00 $1,863.50 1 12
1on1 Online Casino™ Online Casino $2,856.80 ($21.50) 3 9
Omni Casino™ $33,368.00 ($750.85) 3 6
3 Diamonds Casino™ $210.00 ($75.00) 1 4
Caribbean Sun Poker™ $69,458.75 ($2,322.01) 5 2
Totals $200,825.80 $750.04 32 104in red are total number of real money players and total income earned.
THAT IS PATHETIC!!!
Frankly I didn’t realize how bad they’ve been until I went and got these stats.
ouch.
I’m going to go get physically sick now.
I shudder to think how much more I could have made sending those 32 real money players to nearly any other casino listed on my sites.
I’m going to have to redouble my efforts to find and remove their links.
WOW those are bad numbers. normally I’d be quick to blame the affiliate program or casino of cheating me; but I’ve been in their casino and there is seldom very many players there. Intercasino blows them away in that respect.
I can’t figure it out. They have all the ingredients to make a profitable, quality casino(s) but I can tell you after nearly 4 years of being an affiliate; this dog won’t hunt.
This is obviously not working for you, BB.
With such low figures you ought to have either tossed them or fixed the presentation long ago.
Don’t feel bad, I did worse with coins players over the last year – most of the few they did convert from download to player would not deposit, and the couple who did were pityful.
I had it in my head that oddson was a software worth offering to players, so I carried Coins for a long time without results.
All the other oddson went broke.Given that, I do understand how you feel. I never understood how coins could keep going like that. I suppose just because some make money at a place doesn’t mean everyone will.
If the dog won’t hunt for you, and giving the dog better conditions to hunt under doesn’t work for you, let it go find a home where it will be a better fit and produce.
If promoting on the web was only as consistent and straight forward as training dogs – (one of my previous careers was training with the police) – it would be a piece of cake once one learned the ropes.
As things are, we need to keep sorting what will do for us and what will not.
For me, Focal is a keeper and Coins is a toss. (pun intended)
Hi,
You’re the one Dom. Much like me ‘n Windows I guess.
You’re absolutely right, I should have pulled them long ago.
And I did actually, a couple of times.
I put them back up in support of Cindy’s site when it was requested, this happening almost just as I’d finished taking them down. …. and once before that I had taken them all-but-down and then when the poker room was launched I think is how they managed to somehow stick around that time.
which btw the poker room was a big disappoinment as well.
I’m doing somewhat better with Partner with I imagine about a quarter the player base.
as for
and giving the dog better conditions to hunt under doesn’t work for you,
at some point the casino HAS to take responsibilty.
I am not allowed to take the player further than the front door.
No matter what kind of traffic a person gets; once a player is a proven depositing real-money player; I think at that point the responsibility falls to the casino.
I mean, what do they want? Crap give me 32 proven depositors and I promise you I’ll get more than $3000 out of them.
That’s shameful. it really is.
BB1, we have always strongly disagreed on this particular property.
Unless it takes a nose dive for me, or shoots up for you, that is likely to continue.
I consider Focal one of the most honest straight shooters there are, if not the single most honest place.
I have tested them this way and that way, and with the exception of some of my poker players ending up in stats for the Sands by mistake (and looking odd there, poker players just are not the same as casino players) I have found Focal to run a tighter ship than I have seen anyplace else.
They may not get all the praise from major affiliates that some of the others get – they just do not give preferential treatment to people.
Honesty is the single most important thing I look for in a program – followed immediately by performance and stats.
I find all three in Focal, so I will continue to carry them as well as stand up for them from time to time.
all I can say to that is that my numbers speak for themselves in much harsher tone than I have taken.
And you didn’t address my statement about at some point the casino MUST take responsibilty and that point is the point where they don’t allow us any control any further.
Shoot, at least if they’d give me the email addresses, I could try and get the players to come back and play.
Dom, I make literally 10s of 1000s of dollars off other programs that get the very same traffic and I’m not making anything up. I can prove every word.
I respect your opinion as I feel you have respected mine. And you’re right, we’ll likely never agree on the worthiness of Focal.
I would like to reiterate that I think the guys there are very nice people.
as to honesty, what good is it if there’s nothing to be honest about?
my figures come out to roughly $10 pitiful dollars made on each of the 32 real depositing players I have sent.
we all know it costs well, well over $100 to get a depositing player.
Now if Focal were willing to give me access to the email addresses of these players, perhaps I COULD get that dog to hunt using a different tactic.
But when a program ties your hands the minute you get the player to their door, IMHO, that’s when I have completed my job and in fine fashion.
I would be very curious to see your lifetime stats.
I can only go on my personal experience and that of the other seasoned vets that also posted (not just me, but I admit they worded theirs less directly), but when you see people like the Prof, Krystall (she didn’t post but I asked her today)… and others; all saying the same thing……
its generally a good rule of thumb for the masses.
in any case, I still love ya and hope you don’t take anything personal.
IF this were an attack, it certainly isn’t towards you. IF this was an attack on Focal; well those that know me know it would be much louder and even more directly to the point.
I have stated nothing but facts and backed them up with my stats. I know I could bring in nearly any of my long-time aff managers and they’d tell you that my traffic has a good conversion rate, and even better player worth.
They’d also likely tell you that they could almost predict a whale or two out of that many real depositors.
*keep in mind I discourage bonus hunters and free bonus hunters have almost nothing at my site to interest them.
I also bring to point that just recently someone had mentioned they had discovered a problem in the tracking at the poker room. Which if I recall it was one of Focal’s own that admitted that was true.
There is definitely something wrong. Crap I would think Focal would be more concerned than I. player worth comes to $10 profit per player…. come on?
I’d not have slept in a week if I were Focal and I saw that.
and like I said, my traffic is good and I can bring in more aff managers than you could count on one hand that will verify that.
I call’em like I see ’em. the numbers speak for themselves.
Of course you are not attacking me, nor me you – I think we have established this some very long time ago.
Sweetheart, consider this:
Does a program that is so pisspoor that no one can make a penny with it triple the number of affiliate relationship managers in a year just to piss away some more money?
If all of us would do equally well or badly with each program, then there would only be a few running programs, the rest would be out of biz.
However there are more programs than you can shake a stick at, and Focal has been around for a long time. Focal and many others are doing well enough to keep growing over time. Some just hang in there, some shrink. Some go pooofff and after a while all you can remember is the ffffff sound of it deflating.
What you don’t see is any program surviving because the casinos it serves enjoy throwing money down the drain. Not on your life – not in this industry.
So whether this shows in your pocket or not – if it didn’t show in someone’s pocket the whole thing would go kerplopp in no time.
Geez, did this thing follow me all the way from Amsterdam?
And the count is:
1 for focal click
4 against….. just more numbers………….tee hee
Actually, make that 2 “for”, counting me.
